Tommy Robinson, master of tolerance

[ursus arctos]

Very important, indeed.

It is the term that trans people have chosen and one that should be respected.

[Guy Profumo]

I think I might prefer something like prenaming?

Deadnaming implies that someone didn't exist pre transition and that life was worthless?

I'm not comfortable with that, but, and this is important, it's not my call.

[Guy Profumo]

I don't think it's the same, no. But I'm not up for policing people's names, as I think it's better to stick to the line that it's none of anyone else's business.

Then keep your fucking nose out of mine.

(nb. Attempt at black irony.

No postcards please)

[WOM]

Yeah...this is different.

[DCI Harry Batt]

I don't think it's the same, no. But I'm not up for policing people's names, as I think it's better to stick to the line that it's none of anyone else's business.

[WOM]

Agreed. But is it the same with this Tommy Robinson? If he's just a racist coward using a stage name for privacy, fuck him.

[Tactical Genius]

So deadnaming is like people who insisted calling Muhammad Ali Cassius Clay?
It's just sad and pathetic.

[Sporting]

I just had to google it too.

[Guy Profumo]

Given the overly widespread and vicious & disgusting habit so many awful people seem to have of insisting on deadnaming trans people, I am very wary of insisting on someone else's "real" name.

Deadnaming?

I've not heard that word before.

I've got a horrible suspicion I know what it means.

Please say it isn't a widespread (albeit known) practice?

[ursus arctos]

He hasn't really changed his name, has he?

The name Tommy Robinson is a pseudonym taken from a prominent member of the "Men In Gear" (MIG)football hooligan crew, which follows Luton Town Football Club. The member named Tommy Robinson wrote two books about his 25 years of hooliganism.

[DCI Harry Batt]

Given the overly widespread and vicious & disgusting habit so many awful people seem to have of insisting on deadnaming trans people, I am very wary of insisting on someone else's "real" name.

[Sporting]

I don't desperately disagree with you!

[Guy Profumo]

If he's changed his name, as have millions of others, it would seem polite to use it. It's the only politeness he deserves, though.

Bollocks.

No more than Gideon and Alex deserve to be called George and Boris.

Performers and paid up members of Equity treading the boards under their professional names on the other hand is a different matter.

(Or tiresome nobodies who hide behind pseudonyms on internet message boards)

[Sporting]

If he's changed his name, as have millions of others, it would seem polite to use it. It's the only politeness he deserves, though.

[WOM]

What's the story with the stage name? Does he pretend it's his own, or is it meant to be a character he plays? Is it meant to sound more working class than a double-barreled surname? Why does the press continue to use it?

[Guy Profumo]

The corollary of "you can tell a man who boozes by the company he choses"

The mark of a man or a woman is determined who they regard as allies and friends.

I give you Gerard Batten (again)


https://mobile.twitter.com/GerardBat...21141778042882

[ursus arctos]

TG is right on the nature of the proceedings

Robinson had been arrested, charged and sentenced to 13 months after being found in contempt of court but served just two months before being freed after the court of appeal overturned the finding of contempt in August last year.

The case was then referred back to the attorney general, who announced in March that it was in the public interest to bring fresh proceedings.

[Guy Profumo]

The judge(s) can of course impose sentences for contempt if anyone should interrupt the proceedings when sentence is passed.

One hopes that wouldn't happen.

[Tactical Genius]

So, the original sentence was 13 months, of which he has served two.

I take it that the High Court can add to that (that isn't possible here)?

My understanding is this is a retrial as the original conviction was quashed on appeal.
If so, they are not bound by the previous case when sentencing.

The case was a pretty big one with serious racial connotations (indian indian subcontinent men using young white girls in some kind of Sex/Drug/paedophile ring). If they had walked because of this he would have been in massive trouble).

The sentencing Judge will be under massive pressure from all sides becuase this carry on has to be clamped down hard or the UK criminal justice system would become a farce of US standards.

[Guy Profumo]

So, the original sentence was 13 months, of which he has served two.

I take it that the High Court can add to that (that isn't possible here)?

Even in a retrial?

Which I thought this was?

[ursus arctos]

TG's take is much more what I would expect based on US practice.

[ursus arctos]

So, the original sentence was 13 months, of which he has served two.

I take it that the High Court can add to that (that isn't possible here)?

[Tactical Genius]

Hasn't been ruled out -


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-reporting-ban

Did you see the size of the mob outside the old bailey.
He will get a token sentence, with time already served he will do no more than an extra month inside.

[Guy Profumo]

Hasn't been ruled out -


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-reporting-ban

[Ginger Yellow]

As I recall, OTFer Rod Liddle got off without jail time, though the Spectator was fined.