The Guardian

[Nefertiti2]

Some of you may visit the Guardian website- inwhich case you will be used to pleas from the Guardian that "Your support helps protect the Guardian’s independence and it means we can keep delivering quality journalism that’s open for everyone around the world. Every contribution, however big or small, is so valuable for our future"

life in the media industry can be uncertain.
Guardian editor Katharine Viner earns over half a million pounds a year. That would be impossible without your help

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[caja-dglh]

I always took it as a reminder that they are one of a minority of newspapers offering non-subscription access to their full site.

[Nefertiti2]

Pleading for donations for readers to ensure HALF A MILLION POUNDS For the EDITOR

[WOM]

How much should the editor of a major newspaper get paid?

[Nefertiti2]

How much should the editor of a major newspaper get paid?

What do they need?

Mick Lynch head of the railworkers union receives £84,000,

When the editor is pleading for support from their readership on moral grounds I think that anything over 120000 pounds is offensive.

500 grand is taking the piss

. (Especially when their talentless partner also receives an exorbitant amount - thansk to readers' generoity

[WOM]

thanks to readers' generosity

[Ed.]

[ursus arctos]

I actually thought that the paper's reporting on this (and the results on which the 42 percent increase was based) was a lot more transparent than what I would expect from the vast majority of media concerns.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...e_iOSApp_Other

I also think that the 800,000 quid golden parachute for the prior CEO might have raised more eyebrows,

[ursus arctos]

Per their latest proxy statement, total compensation for the following officers of the New York Times in 2021 was

Publisher USD 3.6 million
CEO USD 5.8 million
CFO USD 3.1 million
General Counsel 2.1 million

As no editor is among the five most highly compensated officers, their individual compensation is not required to be disclosed under the federal securities laws.

[Nefertiti2]

The FT has a different ( and higher) sum


“Viner’s pay has risen 42 per cent this year to £509,850, following two separate reviews of her salary, according to the corporate filing“

[Paul S]

There was a piece in Private Eye a couple of years ago that revealed that the Guardian actually runs at a loss. The only reason it keeps going is because the Guardian Media Group has invested in hedge funds, the profit from which keeps the newspaper going. It then went on to point out how Polly Toynbee and others were constantly berating hedge funds for their greed whilst profiting quite handsomely from them.

[ooh aah]

Given that The Guardian did more than any other newspaper to sabotage any chance of a vaguely progressive government in this country, the liklihood of me donating anything other than a loud 'fuck you' is zero.

[Walt Flanagans Dog]

There was a piece in Private Eye a couple of years ago that revealed that the Guardian actually runs at a loss. The only reason it keeps going is because the Guardian Media Group has invested in hedge funds, the profit from which keeps the newspaper going. It then went on to point out how Polly Toynbee and others were constantly berating hedge funds for their greed whilst profiting quite handsomely from them.

The Guardian has run at a loss for decades, it was traditionally subsidised by the group's other media operations. Presumably they themselves are now less profitable.

[DCI Harry Batt]

I try very hard not to read it these days. It's dreadful, in general, and its part in the attacks on trans people is absolutely vile and unforgivable.

The constant whining about money is also very annoying. And the creepy "you have read x articles this year" thing is hardly endearing.

Viner, yeah. Awful person. Worth nothing.

[Sporting]

I try very hard not to read it these days. It's dreadful, in general, and its part in the attacks on trans people is absolutely vile and unforgivable.

There are exceptions. Owen Jones:

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...abortion-unite

Luke Tryl:

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...dentity-report

Guardian editorial:

"Government sources have reportedly said that they see the issue as a trap for Labour; transgender rights now appear to be part of No 10’s “war on woke”. But a wedge issue is meant to split support for one’s opponents. Mr Johnson’s decision is out of step with even his own party. Conservative MPs have been outspoken in their condemnation, and about 50 could back a move to make the ban comprehensive, while 58% of Tory voters think all forms of “conversion therapy” should be outlawed. They believe that transgender people too need and deserve protection from these practices. They are right."

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...otect-everyone

[DCI Harry Batt]

There are some exceptions, but they don't excuse the general trend, nor do they make up for it. Owen Jones is good on trans issues, largely, but would he do the job he does for the guardian for an organisation which was such a significant part of this kind of generalised attack on gay men, for example?.

(Can't read those pieces, I have the site blocked on here to help me remember not to go there.)

[imp]

I've been an online subscriber for several years as it allows me to download the print edition. I read The Guardian every day, so God help me. I love it when people say, "I don't read it any more, it's all shit." So, how do you know? Though, to be fair, I'd probably condemn the content of the Mail and the Express in similar fashion.

[DCI Harry Batt]

I've always been a bit bemused by the idea that you have to consume something to have an opinion on it. I'm not a subscriber to this idea, obvs.

I wish I could completely avoid the rancid rag, but it's not possible. Largely because so many people give it a free pass on its rancidity.

I make allowances for exiles, though. I'm soft like that.

[Lang Spoon]

The Guardian has run at a loss for decades, it was traditionally subsidised by the group's other media operations. Presumably they themselves are now less profitable.

exchange and Mart did this function for years didn't it?

[Tony C]

I've always been a bit bemused by the idea that you have to consume something to have an opinion on it.

I think you need to consume (or experience) something to have an informed opinion on it.

I’m the first to complain for example when I see three middle aged white people talk about race issues on ‘Newsnight’.

As for the broad theme of this thread as exposing hypocrisy in the press - we could be here a long time.

[johnr]

Its news and sport coverage is pretty good, but the politics is almost universally awful, and that it is seen as 'left' by some is bewildering. As an institution, it actively worked against the only left alternative on offer, is currently downplaying racism in the Opposition for the sake of optics, and exists primarily as a bulwark for liberals, against socialism. All perfectly fine, of course, as that's where the readers are at.

[Nocturnal Submission]

Its news and sport coverage is pretty good, but the politics is almost universally awful, and that it is seen as 'left' by some is bewildering. As an institution, it actively worked against the only left alternative on offer, is currently downplaying racism in the Opposition for the sake of optics, and exists primarily as a bulwark for liberals, against socialism. All perfectly fine, of course, as that's where the readers are at.

That's all well and good, but what we really want to know is if you've now dumped the Hammers?

[johnr]

Well, Mark Noble's still there, sort of...

[anton pulisov]

I don't like their science coverage, which seems to consist of copy pasting the press release from Nature about the latest careerist fiction published by some Oxbridge professor.

In general the paper seems to always desperately try to be on message, instead of just reporting the news.

I do read it every now and then.

[Guy Profumo]

I try very hard not to read it these days. It's dreadful, in general, and its part in the attacks on trans people is absolutely vile and unforgivable.

The constant whining about money is also very annoying. And the creepy "you have read x articles this year" thing is hardly endearing.

Viner, yeah. Awful person. Worth nothing.

Especially as I buy the print edition

[Gangster Octopus]

Ditto.