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    #51
    So A-levels were a long time ago but as far as I recall the idea is more people vote for the party they actually like regardless of whether they would win, so you get higher voting percentages for parties that usually get their votes taken by tactical votes.

    I've just googled what STV is and realised it's the system used in the Scottish Parliament.

    I'm not massively convinced of the need to change. I quite like the list system although obviously the way some Members have switched parties is irritating. I guess under STV you could force by-elections to put an end to that chicanery.

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      #52
      Originally posted by Patrick Thistle View Post
      So A-levels were a long time ago but as far as I recall the idea is more people vote for the party they actually like regardless of whether they would win, so you get higher voting percentages for parties that usually get their votes taken by tactical votes.

      I've just googled what STV is and realised it's the system used in the Scottish Parliament.

      I'm not massively convinced of the need to change. I quite like the list system although obviously the way some Members have switched parties is irritating. I guess under STV you could force by-elections to put an end to that chicanery.
      Scotland uses the same additional member system (i.e. a constituency vote, and a vote for a multi-member region) as Wales I think. Wikipedia says they use STV for local elections. The Oireachtas uses STV.
      Last edited by Bizarre Löw Triangle; 07-04-2021, 12:43.

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        #53
        That's the idea of course, but here for instance, once people vote for their main party, they often use their transfers as much to unseat parties they dislike than for any positive reasons (i.e. traditionally FG and Labour would transfer to each other to minimise FF seat numbers even when it made more ideological sense to go elsewhere), and of course the sizeable proportion of Independents elected shows the potential for localism/protest votes under the system. By-elections are actually much rarer here than in the UK, as they only tend to occur when a TD dies, or else if they resign, largely upon election to the European Parliament (most retirements happen upon the calling of a general election), so changing of party affiliation doesn't trigger one here, either. I'd still consider it the best of all electoral systems, certainly compared with a PR list, for instance, but worth mentioning both pros and cons.

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          #54
          Originally posted by Bizarre Löw Triangle View Post

          Scotland uses the same additional member system (i.e. a constituency vote, and a vote for a multi-member region) as Wales I think. Wikipedia says they use STV for local elections.
          Stormont elections use STV also.

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            #55
            Originally posted by Bizarre Löw Triangle View Post

            Scotland uses the same additional member system (i.e. a constituency vote, and a vote for a multi-member region) as Wales I think. Wikipedia says they use STV for local elections. The Oireachtas uses STV.
            Right. The Electoral Reform Society page said it was used in Scotland and I thought they meant the Parliament.

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              #56
              In terms of the cost of additional Senedd Members, this is doing the rounds on da socials

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                #57
                Powys loves the Senedd. It's official.

                https://twitter.com/WalesMaps/status/1379876358768234499?s=19

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                  #58
                  Behind the scenes in the Abolish the Welsh Assembly Party supporters group on Facebook.

                  https://twitter.com/cwlcymro/status/1379547743199301636?s=19

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                    #59
                    They seem nice

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                      #60
                      Wale's loss is England's gain.

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                        #61
                        Tbh I hope all the ones who say they're going to leave follow through on that promise

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                          #62
                          They never do though.

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                            #63
                            What are Plaid Cymru playing at here? What's it meant to mean beyond a reference to one of the most racist electon campaings in British history?

                            https://twitter.com/POC4INDY/status/1380289527869227008

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                              #64
                              That's bloody awful. Christ. Is it real?

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                                #65
                                Originally posted by TonTon View Post
                                That's bloody awful. Christ. Is it real?
                                Apparently so.

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                                  #66
                                  Yeah. It was stupid. Although likely to get buried now that Phil's dead and campaigning is suspended for the weekend.

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