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    Handy timetable of todays' events from the BBC:

    09:55 EST (14:55 GMT) - This is where we're at now - coming close to the end of an hour's of debate on the rule (not the article of impeachment), between Republicans and Democrats.

    11:15 EST (16:15 GMT) - A vote on the rule itself, this could last around an hour.

    12:30 EST (17:30 GMT) - Now we'll enter two hours of debate on the impeachment article itself. Again, this will be equally divided between the parties.

    15:00 EST (20:00 GMT) - The House will vote on whether or not to impeach President Trump for a second time, with the result expected about an hour after voting begins.

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      Rebublican Rep. Nancy Mace is invoking MLK Jr. in her appeal not to rush to impeachment.

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        We need a corollary to Godwin's Law

        Maybe Reverend Warnock can add that to his overflowing plate

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          And there was just something about Trump's incitement being protected by the First Amendment, therefore we can't legally impeach.

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            You're a brave man, watching this and providing us with the details, Bruno.

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              I'm multitasking!

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                CNN is saying that most of the GOP House Reps are being threatened by Trumpers with violence if they support the vote.

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                  Originally posted by Greenlander View Post
                  There was a good programme on the events on ITV last night with loads of their own, terrifying at times, footage from inside the building. At one point they identified a woman in a green top who was directing the mob up a spiral staircase (think they were in the crypt at this point) which led to Pelosi's office. The most striking thing was that she really didn't look like one of the demonstrators and I'm sure she wasn't wearing a coat, almost like she'd been inside all along.

                  The presenter and his camera operator were lucky they didn't get in more grief, saying they were from ITV in the UK didn't pacify a couple of the MAGAs and they got at least one whack from one.
                  Apologies if this has already been mentioned but there was a video on BBC News last night of a fully uniformed Capitol Police officer in a MAGA hat having congenial discussions with people in the crowd, one of whom then appeared to flash a badge.

                  There was speculation that the officer was wearing the hat to prevent being attacked (I should mention that he was black) and that the potential badge-flasher may have been undercover but who knows.

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                    I think that was an argument used by one of the GOP reps from Michigan about why they refused to ratify - they were scared for their family or something.

                    Which seems like a very convenient excuse for not doing the right thing. I bet nobody ever made vague threats against Democrat reps who voted to do the right thing...

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                      Originally posted by Satchmo Distel View Post
                      CNN is saying that most of the GOP House Reps are being threatened by Trumpers with violence if they support the vote.
                      I wonder if it will take an assassination of one of their own to wake enough of them up.

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                        I assume that CNN was talking about "outside agitators", but that report is especially chilling in the context of several of the Trumpiest members of Congress refusing to walk through the metal detectors as of last night.

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                          If they can make them wear masks, surely they can make them go through a metal detector.

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                            They can't make them wear masks. They can only fine them for not doing so (which is what they started doing last night).

                            I expect the House to take the same approach on the metal detectors.

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                              The sergeant at arms can now escort them out for not wearing masks.

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                                I thought it was just Boebert. Are there others who're also refusing to go through metal detectors? And what is their rationale? Is it some bizarre fifth amendment thing about not self-incriminating? Or a bizarre fourth amendment one about search and seizure?

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                                  On Ray's point, I believe that the officer in question is one of those whose actions are being looked at by Capitol Police (but not one of those who have been suspended - that being the selfie guy and another seen to have given detailed directions).

                                  I certainly hope that there were a few undercover agents in the crowd, but there are credible reports of badges from states thousands of miles from DC being flashed.

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                                    The rationale is stand up to the anti-gun libs for hometown applause.

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                                      Originally posted by Bruno View Post
                                      The rationale is stand up to the anti-gun libs for hometown applause.
                                      Well, obviously that's the reason they do it. But they usually have to provide some bizarre bullshit constitutional cover for it.

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                                        Originally posted by Bruno View Post
                                        If they can make them wear masks, surely they can make them go through a metal detector.
                                        Boebert got in the building last night without going through the metal detector. From what I read, she refused and complained enough and they let her in.

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                                          Originally posted by San Bernardhinault View Post
                                          I thought it was just Boebert. Are there others who're also refusing to go through metal detectors? And what is their rationale? Is it some bizarre fifth amendment thing about not self-incriminating? Or a bizarre fourth amendment one about search and seizure?
                                          Still, a group of GOP lawmakers ignored the new security measures. Matt Fuller, a HuffPost reporter, tweeted that he witnessed about a dozen Republicans walk around the magnetometer, including Rep. Ralph Norman (R-S.C.), Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Tex.) and Rep. Randy Weber (R-Tex.). A handful barreled through, even if they set off the alarm, he reported.
                                          On the House floor, Rep. Greg Steube (R-Fla.) blasted the metal detectors, calling them an “atrocity” and “appalling.”

                                          “Take note, America,” Steube said. “This is what you have to look forward to in the Joe Biden administration.”

                                          Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) also slammed the new security rules, claiming they restricted his constitutional rights.
                                          https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...tal-detectors/

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                                            Originally posted by San Bernardhinault View Post

                                            Well, obviously that's the reason they do it. But they usually have to provide some bizarre bullshit constitutional cover for it.
                                            She said she has a right to carry a gun in the building, and it seems that she's annoying enough that they don't want to argue with her about it.

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                                              [https://twitter.com/david_j_roth/status/1349159093085331456

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                                                Originally posted by San Bernardhinault View Post
                                                I think that was an argument used by one of the GOP reps from Michigan about why they refused to ratify - they were scared for their family or something.
                                                You'd have thought that if going against the president causes you to fear for the safety of your family, then maybe the president shouldn't be in office.

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                                                  https://twitter.com/bchesky/status/1349393607745286146

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                                                    That'll be awkward for the new cabinet members who don't have somewhere to live yet.

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