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    Have the Greens (and the devils of the FDP) been destroyed by the taint of being part of the Federal coalition?

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      Looking at the official website, there were two rival Green parties (dieBasis and ÖDP), who got 1.5% of the vote combined, along with other parties in a similar hue (bunt.saar, Volt and Tierschutz) with 4.3% between them. Also, during the federal election, the Saarland Greens ended up not presenting a party list, which will doubtlessly have been remembered.

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        One can argue that it was really the multiplicity of "other" parties in Saarland and the fact that they collectively got 10 percent of the vote without any of them breaking 2,5 percent individually that created that result. It was particularly the case for the Greens, given the ecological bent of several of the most successful "others".

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          Or what DR said an hour ago

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            https://twitter.com/Wahlen_DE/status/1531610805531201536?s=20&t=J9qwmaaFkuUsvVdgax5Wew

            On the one hand, it is striking that twice as many members of the Great German believe that the Greens are best placed to solve the country's current problems.

            It is, however, at least equally striking that 49 percent don't believe that any party can.

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              Well they're right, of course. Very interesting though, yeah.

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                Originally posted by ursus arctos View Post
                On the one hand, it is striking that twice as many members of the Great German believe that the Greens are best placed to solve the country's current problems.

                It is, however, at least equally striking that 49 percent don't believe that any party can.
                This seems a very open ended question, designed to allow people draw whatever conclusions they want from it doesn't it? What do people see as Germany's current problems, and why do they think these parties are not able to deal with them? and is it because they think that political parties can't resolve these problems because of uselessness, or because they are out of the hands of those parties and require a global response.

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                  It is a pretty standard political polling question in my experience

                  And yes, those are all valid points

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                    Germany’s Die Linke could split into two parties over the Ukraine war, as the ailing leftwing party’s indecisive stance over economic sanctions against Russia triggered a series of high-profile resignations this week.

                    The German Left party’s future has hung in a precarious balance since it snuck into the national parliament last autumn under a special provision for parties that win three or more constituency seats. Should three of its 39 delegates resign from the party, Die Linke would lose its status as a parliamentary group and attached privileges over speaking times and committee memberships.

                    Party insiders say such resignations are a matter of when, not if, after a week of vicious public in-fighting over a speech in which the former co-leader Sahra Wagenknecht accused the German government of “launching an unprecedented economic war against our most important energy supplier”.

                    Supporters of Wagenknecht, a controversial but prominent figurehead, are already hatching plans for a breakaway party to compete in the 2024 European elections, the German newspaper Taz reported this week.

                    Such a split would be likely to spell the end of Die Linke, 15 years after it was founded in a merger between the successor to East Germany’s Socialist Unity party and former Social Democrats disillusioned by their party’s direction under Gerhard Schröder, and just under a decade after it formed the largest opposition force in the Bundestag’s 2013-17 term.
                    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ions-on-russia

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                      Both AfD and Die Linke were pro-Putin, which is another of those instances when far-left and far-right party policies meet.

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                        Well you would think so, because Wagenknecht is the only one that ever gets invited on the telly, for some reason.

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                          An update on the "which party do you trust to solve Germany's problems" question.

                          The Greens still lead, but their share has been almost halved from when I last posted this in late May, while "None of Them" now gets 63 percent of the total

                          https://twitter.com/Wahlen_DE/status/1577270256426307587?s=20&t=_wrE-MUUgSTyfYy2H_maAA

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                            Good grief, these Germans are so fucking entitled. They just need to look at the UK to see what really untrustworthy and fucked-up means -- never mind all those third world countries, like South Africa or Russia or Italy, they look down on from a position of superiority.

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                              Along the same lines.

                              Exactly zero of the most prominent politicians have a net favourable rating
                              [https://twitter.com/Wahlen_DE/status/1578072879232684037?t=VBdJ66MImHhFvjXuIrZ8dQ&s=19

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                                Interesting CDU voter movements in Lower Saxony:

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                                  Is Nichtwahler undecided?

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                                    It would literally translate as Non-voters, with Andere meaning others.

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                                      FDP look like they're not clearing 5% in Niedersachsen. AfD a disgusting 11%. SPD ahead of the CDU by 33 to 28%. Greens 14,5%. I suppose with the FDP not making it into the Landtag, the SOD and Greens should have enough seats to form a coalition.

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                                        The irony being that the CDU elected Merz as they felt his hardliner reputation would permanently wipe out the AfD.

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                                          Originally posted by G-Man View Post
                                          FDP look like they're not clearing 5% in Niedersachsen. AfD a disgusting 11%. SPD ahead of the CDU by 33 to 28%. Greens 14,5%. I suppose with the FDP not making it into the Landtag, the SOD and Greens should have enough seats to form a coalition.

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