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    #76
    This is why the Tories needed to call an election so they could dump the Unionists. They knew they were going to fuck NI.

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      #77
      Originally posted by Diable Rouge View Post
      But John Redwood said Dover was grand yesterday!

      https://twitter.com/ChrisMasonBBC/status/1347584720390017029
      If John Redwood said smoking caused cancer, I would instantly become a 40 a day man.

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        #78
        Freight between Ireland and Europe has increased sixfold compared with the same week last year:

        https://twitter.com/SiCarswell/status/1347870098011414530

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          #79
          Not content with crashing the economy? Let's bring down the food chain.

          https://twitter.com/JournoJane/status/1347664977461706754?s=19

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            #80
            And the UK, sorry lets be honest about this, the Tories, rejected visa free 90day passes for musicians and other artists as well. True to form the govt have already said it was the EU's fault and no doubt the Cult that supports them will not be swayed by FACT and will fully support the govt bullshit. I can only assume they want the artists to be out picking fruit and veg instead as the labour pool for that dries up...

            Drop the O and replace with a U to give that party its proper name.

            https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1784600.html

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              #81
              https://twitter.com/unlit_uplands/status/1338785320523984900?s=19

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                #82
                https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-r...droidApp_Other

                I think this has been mentioned but it's now confirmed, UK streaming won't work in the EU anymore as they are different territories with different rights.

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                  #83
                  That sounds like a disaster for British pubs in Spain and such places whose livelihood is based on serving English tourists. I suppose watching PL matches is the main reason people go there in the first place.
                  Last edited by Belhaven; 11-01-2021, 09:29.

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                    #84
                    Ireland's Premier Sports streaming will be doing a roaring trade now.

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                      #85
                      Yes, I suppose that is true, they will only switch to the Irish provider.

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                        #86
                        Normally in the bars abroad it's either the Irish one or BeIn sports which I think is based in Qatar or somewhere.

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                          #87
                          Originally posted by Belhaven View Post
                          That sounds like a disaster for British pubs in Spain and such places whose livelihood is based on serving English tourists. I suppose watching PL matches is the main reason people go there in the first place.
                          I can watch all PL games (and other matches too) on DAZN for 9.99 euros monthly.

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                            #88
                            Yes, it will obviously be much less of a case that I first imagined.

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                              #89
                              Remarkably, the refreshable CCTV cameras here labelled "J11A" show both sides of the Channel Tunnel toll roads.

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                                #90
                                Sorry to be parochial on this, but if anyone understands what's going on I'd be very grateful. I've currently got 30000 boxes of chocolates that I'm trying to send to Ireland. But because they came in from one EU country to a non-EU country (us) and are then going back to a different EU country, no one, including customs, seems to know what to do with them.

                                Anyone got any ideas?

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                                  #91
                                  I almost feel sorry for them.
                                  https://twitter.com/Santibuesa/status/1348622424758251527

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                                    #92
                                    As mentioned on the WhatsApp thread the new terms and conditions we're subjected to in the UK aren't happening in the EU.

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                                      #93
                                      Why exactly did the fucking Five Families of the Fit Like Fish Racket want Brexit? I take it they forgot who exactly bought their product.

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                                        #94
                                        pebble,

                                        This Tony Connelly piece touches on the complications you face

                                        In the days leading up to the end of the transition period, representatives of the UK Food and Drink Federation (FDF) were stunned to learn during a conference call with DEFRA, the UK department of agriculture, that food products from one EU member state that went to a UK distribution hub and then back into the EU would lose their EU origin status and be subject to full EU tariffs when arriving at EU ports.

                                        This would be particularly acute for Ireland. Historically, EU food producers have treated Ireland and the UK as one market to which tailored confectionery and other products would be sold, based on similar Irish and British taste and packaging preferences.

                                        "A lot of the companies will have treated UK and Ireland as a single market in distribution terms," said Paul McGrade, senior counsel with Lexington Communications, a consultancy. "If you think of the cultural closeness for a lot of food stuffs, we share a lot of those tastes. The chocolate in the shop as we know it looks different in Britain or Ireland than it does when you go into a shop in Brussels."

                                        With Britain as an EU member it made perfect sense for chocolate products from, say, the Netherlands, to be sent in bulk to a UK distribution warehouse and from there reboxed to service the Irish market.

                                        But if the EU and UK have just struck a zero-tariff free trade deal, why should goods from one EU country (the Netherlands) be hit by a potentially crippling tariff when they arrive in another (Ireland) via a UK warehouse?

                                        This is the reality of swapping a single market for a basic free trade agreement.

                                        The single market facilitated highly integrated, just-in-time supply chains that ran between the continent, the UK and Ireland and back again.

                                        Brexit shatters those supply chains, even if, under the new TCA, there are, on paper, no tariffs on food sold between the EU and UK.

                                        It is a complex area.

                                        If a UK firm buys a consignment of Irish mushrooms and turns them into a vegetarian lasagne, that product can still be sold back into Ireland tariff free.

                                        That is because the TCA accepts "cumulation", ie, the ability for a company to count as British components that are sourced in the EU (and vice versa), so long as there is an acceptable level of processing involved.

                                        The problem with the chocolate product coming from the Netherlands to a distribution hub is that there is no processing involved. The products are simply re-packaged and spun off again into the EU (Ireland).
                                        One industry source said that the product becomes like a "stateless" person.

                                        "The rules of origin are key to international trade," said Maree Gallagher, who specialises in food law with the law firm Covington & Burling. "Where does something originate? The way you determine the origin of a product is where the last substantial process happened."

                                        If cheese is brought in from France and then processed as a pizza topping in the UK the pizza (cheese and all) remains a UK-origin product, thus benefiting from preferential zero-tariff access back to the EU.

                                        But for much of the food in question, there is no processing involved.

                                        Prior to Brexit, the UK’s membership of the single market meant that large volumes of food could be brought in seamlessly from the continent, then stored in a warehouse so that multiples like Tesco and M&S could source cheese or other products at short notice.

                                        "If you're sending cheese to Donnybrook Fair or Supervalu and if it's loaded on a truck in Paris and ends up in Dublin that's absolutely fine," said Maree Gallagher. "But if you're stopping off in the UK and unpacking it and repacking it, and keeping it in a distribution warehouse as part of the just -in-time delivery then it’s different."

                                        Similarly, if Tesco brings 100 boxes of wine in from Spain then separates one box out to be sent to Ireland the wine no longer benefits from tariff-free access.

                                        It’s understood that the UK sought flexibilities on this during the negotiations but was rebuffed by the European Commission.

                                        The Commission’s view, according to several sources, is that Brexit means existing distribution networks and supply chains are now defunct and will have to be replaced by other systems.

                                        One would be to use the transit convention, whereby goods are shipped direct from the continent in sealed containers, which remain sealed during the land bridge crossing, direct to Dublin, bypassing any warehouse reboxing.

                                        Food shipped direct by ferry from France or Belgium would also face no formalities on arrival in Dublin.

                                        Another option is that distribution hubs move out of Great Britain altogether and are relocated in the EU, either Ireland or another member state. But this will take time and capital, and in the meantime those food products in particular could be hit by punitive tariffs, giving rise to price hikes and empty shelves.

                                        "You're not going to sell your confectionery at the current price at a massive loss for three or four years while you build a distribution centre in Offaly," said one industry source.
                                        https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0108/11...nnelly-brexit/

                                        Perhaps Irish customs might have some ideas?

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                                          #95
                                          Originally posted by pebblethefish View Post
                                          Sorry to be parochial on this, but if anyone understands what's going on I'd be very grateful. I've currently got 30000 boxes of chocolates that I'm trying to send to Ireland. But because they came in from one EU country to a non-EU country (us) and are then going back to a different EU country, no one, including customs, seems to know what to do with them.

                                          Anyone got any ideas?
                                          Tony Connelly had a piece on this on Saturday - basically, 3rd country distribution hubs are being most scrutinised by Brussels as a potential customs loophole, but according to the Irish Times today, most scrutiny is between Dublin and Holyhead, so your best bet for now is to dispatch them from Cairnryan to Larne, and then promptly cross the Border:

                                          https://twitter.com/IrishTimesBiz/status/1348587905401430019
                                          Last edited by Diable Rouge; 11-01-2021, 15:08.

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                                            #96
                                            Brilliant just brilliant. Chocolate shortages.

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                                              #97
                                              Thanks Ursus and DR, very useful.

                                              As I have recently mentioned on another thread, I'm not paid enough to care, but at least it looks like I'm doing something (and I particularly liked emailing our MD quoting "my lawyer friend")

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                                                #98
                                                Originally posted by Lang Spoon View Post
                                                Brilliant just brilliant. Chocolate shortages.
                                                If I can't export them, I'm stuck with 30000 boxes. I'll give them away to my friends...

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                                                  #99
                                                  Originally posted by pebblethefish View Post

                                                  If I can't export them, I'm stuck with 30000 boxes. I'll give them away to my friends on OTF
                                                  Just fixed that for you Pebble

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                                                    What about the OTFers in Ireland?

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