The COVID-19 Vaccination Progress Thread

[S. aureus]

What's "staying away from people" got to do with vaccination? If "other people" are vaccinated, as I understand what "other people" seem to understand, then it doesn't matter what I do. They're vaccinated; they're in the clear.

As long as a sufficient number of the other people get vaccinated and the vaccine is suitably effective.

edit: or what SB said

[treibeis]

Personally I think it's risk and reward, and given that I want to see my friends and family and don't want to spend the rest of my life sitting in lockdown , then it's a risk I'm willing to take.

Yes, good. I'm not against people taking the jab. It's this "If I don't, then it's the rest of my life in lockdown" (your words, not mine) that I don't get.

[treibeis]

Nope. The vaccines are only between 70 and 90% effective, and some groups of people are unable to get vaccinated, so if you get yourself sick you still have a decent chance of killing someone by infecting them as a result of your choices.

Yeah, "nope" is always good.

At the moment, Prof. Dr. Scientist, the vaccine has proved fuck-all. If it does, in three weeks or what have you, I'll concede that it might, in six months or so, have proved to not be shit. Until then, I'll just wait.

And I'm not a scientist.

[fatbear]

I can't help but feel a lot of short-cuts have been taken with the vaccines. But I will taking the Oxford vaccine as soon as I am entitled.............

[Antepli Ejderha]

Vaccination rates in Wales are well below that in the rest of the UK, perhaps that's why people haven't had any news yet.

[Balderdasha]

I'm pretty sure that I won't be offered the vaccine until it's available to the general public as I am under the age of 40 and don't have an underlying condition that the NHS considers to make me particularly vulnerable. However, if I was to contract and die from Covid-19, I'm sure they'd put me in the "underlying health condition" category due to my mental health diagnosis.

[Hot Pepsi]

Yeah, "nope" is always good.

At the moment, Prof. Dr. Scientist, the vaccine has proved fuck-all. If it does, in three weeks or what have you, I'll concede that it might, in six months or so, have proved to not be shit. Until then, I'll just wait.

And I'm not a scientist.

But if everyone waits, it can’t work nor will we find out how well it works. Some of us - most of us, really - are going to have to take one for the team and get it despite the risks.

[San Bernardhinault]

Several hundred thousand have already taken one for the team in one or other trial, and nobody's had a serious adverse reaction and, as far as I can tell nobody - or, at worst, almost nobody - has had a serious case of covid after taking a vaccine.

[jdsx]

My wife (57) has a 50% chance that she had the OxfordAZ jag* back in August, I think. Possibly a 66% chance in her age group. She's still sending her tests off to Oxford every week. She has been told that once she is called for vaccination (likely April/May I would have thought), they'll 'un-blind' her and she will find out whether she had the Covid 19 jag or a Meningitis one....

*I presume that's a 'jab' to those of you outside Scotland

[diggedy derek]

if I was to contract and die from Covid-19, I'm sure they'd put me in the "underlying health condition" category due to my mental health diagnosis.

It occurred to me earlier that I could also be quietly edged unto underlying health conditions also, if that grim situation came to pass. One time back in my twenties, I was feeling pretty down on my life, and got antidepressants from the doctor. After a consultation which was well under the allotted five minutes, I stutteringly explained I was sometimes fine, but sometimes not fine, and I saw he'd noted me down as being bipolar. 18 odd years on, I don't feel that's accurate at all, and I don't think many people would recognise that description, though I'm certainly not claiming to be any more on an even keel than anyone else. But it seems pretty nuts that on the basis of five minutes where I confessed I was having a pretty shit time of it that this diagnosis could be following me around.

[Amor de Cosmos]

1 - There doesn't seem to be any mention of pre-existing conditions. Is there a different view in Canada about whether people with severe asthma or COPD or such should get priority, or do they come into one of the other groups and I just haven't noticed?

I managed to find this from the BC Centre for Disease Control regarding "underlying health conditions."

• Some people with underlying health conditions or who are undergoing certain treatments should speak to their health care provider about the vaccine to make a decision on whether to receive the vaccine at this time. For some people, the risk of being infected with COVID-19 may outweigh any potential risk associated with receiving the COVID-19 vaccine. This group includes those who:

• have an immune system weakened by disease or medical treatment
• have an autoimmune disease
• are pregnant, may be pregnant or are planning to become pregnant
• are breastfeeding
• have received a monoclonal antibody or convalescent plasma for treatment or prevention of COVID-19
• have received a vaccine in the last 14 days
• have symptoms of COVID-19
• people who have had a serious allergy (anaphylaxis) without a known cause . A health care provider may recommend an assessment by an allergy specialist before proceeding with vaccination.

[Nocturnal Submission]

Just an brief update on the process IRL. As I said, Mrs. NS had the jab on Tuesday afternoon. The only side-effect, so far at least, is a sore arm.

[Greenlander]

Most of my mates with parents in the over-80 bracket have been getting their jabs over the last couple of days. Apparently there have been quite a few no shows which enabled one of them who wasn't due to get hers early.

My mum, who can't wait to get it, has just missed the cut off for this round is also bemoaning that she missed getting a shingles vaccination due to her age too. This time too old.

[ad hoc]

We've just learned (that's me and Mrs hoc) that we will probably get it in February or at the latest March, which seems extraordinarily fast as we're in the "everyone else" final category. But no complaints.

[delicatemoth]

So people who've had the first jab of the two-jab vaccine are now having their second jabs delayed, is that right? Which is obviously not what they consented to.

I'd been wondering if transport/access issues might play a part in rural take-up, and when I asked my mum (86, Dorset) she said she'd declined the two-jab vaccine as she couldn't face travelling to Bridport twice. But given my first para above, that now looks like dodging a nonsense. Hope the single jab one comes through, she'll go for that.

[DCI Harry Batt]

So people who've had the first jab of the two-jab vaccine are now having their second jabs delayed, is that right? Which is obviously not what they consented to.

Yes, that is exactly what's happening. The bastards.

[Sean of the Shed]

And the government will record all the first jabs as completed vaccinations, despite the fact it is just half the job done, in pretty much the same way as single gloves were recorded as one PPE item.

[treibeis]

But if everyone waits, it can’t work nor will we find out how well it works. Some of us - most of us, really - are going to have to take one for the team and get it despite the risks.

Yesterday, Frau Merkel gave her New Year's Speech. She said, "I'm going to get the jab, when it's my turn to get it."

Frau Merkel is, on paper, the most powerful person in Germany. She's the one who's telling people to take the jab. Why's she not at the front of the queue, then? Why hasn't she taken one for the team?

She's also a PhD scientist.

[ursus arctos]

Because she understands that other Germans are at greater risk than she is

[DCI Harry Batt]

I can't read this, sorry.

[Sporting]

Because she understands that other Germans are at greater risk than she is

Exactly.

[Hot Pepsi]

Yes, that’s the ideal optics. I don’t think she’s afraid to get the vaccine.

But I’d argue that her job puts her at high risk to get it and/or spread it. Not the highest risk, but higher than other “office jobs.”

The first priority should be people at highest risk of serious illness if they get it, but the second group should be people at high risk of transmitting it and heads of government appear to be in that group.

As we’ve seen here, even politicians that have been fairly careful, like the governor of Pennsylvania, have caught the virus. They just have to be around so many people. They can’t really isolate.

Or maybe they could if they didn’t feel so much pressure to be seen as bold and fearless.

Merkel’s brand is to be the responsible adult in the room. Indeed, that often seems to be the image that Germany as a whole projects.

[treibeis]

Because she understands that other Germans are at greater risk than she is

If you say so. You obviously know more than I do.

I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this. If it all comes up roses, then I'll hold my hands up and admit to being a cynical so-and-so.

Until then - whenever that is -, I'll remain sceptical.

[Amor de Cosmos]

If you say so. You obviously know more than I do.

I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this. If it all comes up roses, then I'll hold my hands up and admit to being a cynical so-and-so.

Until then - whenever that is -, I'll remain sceptical.

Justin Trudeau hasn't had his jab yet either.

“We obviously have to give priority to the most vulnerable but the second I have a chance - like all healthy adults - I will do so very visibly and with enthusiasm,”

[Nocturnal Submission]

The current scores on the doors: https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations