I was listening to the 'You're wrong about' Podcast, where they mentioned that the main reason there aren't as many serial killers as there used to be is the Police got better at catching them before the media could make them notorious, and the main thing the police did to catch them was stop bringing assumptions about victims to investigations. So many murderers were not caught because the Police's assumptions like with Sutcliffe; one of Jeffery Dahmer's victims escaped his apartment and made their way to the police, only to be taken back to Dahmer; the police thought this was the sort of thing queers did.
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From Patricia Highsmith's review of Gordon Burn's book in the London Review of Books
[Sutcliffe's Friend Trevor ]Birdsall’s letter to the police in late 1980, giving Sutcliffe’s name and address and place of employment, went unnoticed by the Police in their by then very paper-burdened search for the Yorkshire Ripper. Twenty-four hours after writing this letter, Birdsall was persuaded by his girlfriend to go to the police station. ‘There he repeated what he had said in the letter’ – that the car spotted in Alma Road at the time of Jacqueline Hill’s murder might be Sutcliffe’s Rover – ‘adding that he had been with Sutcliffe when he got out of his car to go after a woman in Halifax on 16 August 1975, the night Olive Smelt was attacked. He was thanked for his co-operation but heard nothing more from the police; his statement, if it was ever transcribed by the young constable on the desk who took it, was never seen again.’
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One of the things that also comes out of the David Peace books is the amalgamation of the various police forces into West Yorkshire Police was a problem, as until 1968, they'd all been independent with hierarchies and patronage cultures that made the operation of regional investigations which traversed formerly independent patches very difficult on the level of personnel.
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When you look at the investigation it was indeed botched. The problem was they had so much evidence they simply couldn't deal with it as they were using a paper indexing system. It was because of this and the subsequent inquiry that the HOLMES database was created. HOLMES = Home Office Large Major Enquiry System. It makes me wonder if more lives have been saved by this botched investigation that would have been the case if Sutcliffe had been stopped earlier.
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Originally posted by MsD View PostYes, as a young woman at the time I used to ask why there was no male curfew. It was common to hear banter about the Ripper, rape and attacks in general.
There were several cases where rapists got off, with their cases either thrown out due to "unreliable" complainants, or with a fine/non-custodial sentenced. In 1982, Judge Richards said that a woman who was hitchhiking late at night and was picked up and raped was ‘asking for it’ and guilty of contributory negligence.
The Ealing Rape in the mid 80s was indeed horrific, but Jill Seward got sympathy mainly for being a virgin, and for being raped in front of her vicar father.
It's taken a long time for rape victims to be treated sympathetically, and I still don't know whether I'd go to the police.
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Originally posted by Paul S View PostWhen you look at the investigation it was indeed botched. The problem was they had so much evidence they simply couldn't deal with it as they were using a paper indexing system. It was because of this and the subsequent inquiry that the HOLMES database was created. HOLMES = Home Office Large Major Enquiry System. It makes me wonder if more lives have been saved by this botched investigation that would have been the case if Sutcliffe had been stopped earlier.
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Originally posted by Satchmo Distel View PostThe term 'Yorkshire Ripper' is itself offensive and glorifying but we seem to be stuck with it whenever his name comes up. I suppose it would be falsifying history to pretend the association is not there but I think it's a hateful, misognynistic legacy of 70s culture.
We had the fourth estate to thank for that.
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Originally posted by MsD View PostYes, as a young woman at the time I used to ask why there was no male curfew. It was common to hear banter about the Ripper, rape and attacks in general.
There were several cases where rapists got off, with their cases either thrown out due to "unreliable" complainants, or with a fine/non-custodial sentenced. In 1982, Judge Richards said that a woman who was hitchhiking late at night and was picked up and raped was ‘asking for it’ and guilty of contributory negligence.
The Ealing Rape in the mid 80s was indeed horrific, but Jill Seward got sympathy mainly for being a virgin, and for being raped in front of her vicar father.
It's taken a long time for rape victims to be treated sympathetically, and I still don't know whether I'd go to the police.A visualisation of the complex reasons behind the low rape conviction rate.
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Originally posted by Patrick Thistle View PostThe HOLMES system sounds like something where they really wanted to use that acronym.
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No they shouldn't. not should the Yorkshire Post (whilst trying to right a wrong) have defined the women Sutcliffe killed as only important in their relationships to others
https://twitter.com/LiamPRyan91/status/1327559747101462528?s=20
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