Biden - his time

[WOM]

Sorry WOM, I am contractually obliged to make a Biden comment at least once every 48 hours.

Understood.

As for the election, am I the only person surprised an unpopular presidential candidate with no base got a record number of votes. And his vice presidential candidate was such a disaster, she dropped out of the race before she lost her own state in the primary.

Whatever you were surprised by, you oughtn't have been surprised that the worst President in modern history was defeated. Nor should you be surprised that a woman of colour wasn't her party's candidate for President. Other than that...

As for Obama, do you agree anyone who says black men probably voted for Trump because they dug his gangsta rap lifestyle deserves to be pilloried or is that a fair comment?

As for Obama, you seem to fall into the camp that says he needed to be perfect to be good. And that he ought not ever utter an incorrect idea. But the whole 'jihad against the [woke] black men'? I just don't quite comprehend it.

[Hot Pepsi]

Harris was not "a disaster." Primary candidates fail to gain traction for all kinds of reasons. In this case, she wasn't left enough to do better than Bernie or Warren - indeed, her record as a prosecutor repels progressives - and she doesn't have the relationships or track record with the Democratic establishment that Biden does. California is an enormous state. It's not surprising that somebody from there wouldn't win the primary there.

[WOM]

HP, you just don't understand disaster culture. Biden is a racist disaster who swindled his way into being the VP choice for the first Black President. Harris is a disaster who swindled her way into being the VP choice for the first disaster. They've both failed their way to the top. Both are worse than Trump, yet they somehow won.

Capisce?

[San Bernardhinault]

Because their specific actions aren't going to materially improve the lives of literally everyone, and fix every wrong that's been done in this country, they're no better than Donald Trump or Andrew Jackson.

[That Night In Barcelona]

Harris was not "a disaster." Primary candidates fail to gain traction for all kinds of reasons. In this case, she wasn't left enough to do better than Bernie or Warren - indeed, her record as a prosecutor repels progressives - and she doesn't have the relationships or track record with the Democratic establishment that Biden does. California is an enormous state. It's not surprising that somebody from there wouldn't win the primary there.

Am I right in saying that Harris received the largest amount of corporate donations, at least at the outset of the primary season? I thought it was the reason why the Democrat establishment picked her to join Biden.

[WOM]

Because their specific actions aren't going to materially improve the lives of literally everyone, and fix every wrong that's been done in this country, they're no better than Donald Trump or Andrew Jackson.

SAD!

[WOM]

Am I right in saying that Harris received the largest amount of corporate donations, at least at the outset of the primary season? I thought it was the reason why the Democrat establishment picked her to join Biden.

That is what - as I predicted - George Soros and the MSM would have you believe.

[johnr]

I don't see why it is particularly hard to acknowledge that Donald Trump - and Andrew Jackson - are criminally terrible human beings, and also that Barack Obama and Joe Biden are a couple of wankers, under whom nothing material did/will ever change for a lot of people.

[WOM]

It might be worth waiting for Biden to actually take office before declaring him a failure at the job.

[WOM]

Obama, however, inherited a complete economic mess and left a booming economy. He also tried to implement some manner of health care 'reform' in a country where that is pretty much considered heresy.

[San Bernardhinault]

Because for a lot of people things will - almost certainly - materially improve. Particularly for DACA /Dreamers, for those helped by the US being in the Paris climate accords, for those who are worried that the government is working to undermine the healthcare program that is the only way that they can get covered for healthcare at all. Sure, there are going to be hundreds of millions in the US whose lives are probably unchanged by the change in government, but there are people whose lives are going to get substantially less terrifying.

[WOM]

Maybe even people of colour, who won't feel that their President is quietly - or loudly - egging on their tormentors.

[johnr]

It might be worth waiting for Biden to actually take office before declaring him a failure at the job.

Tbf, I'm calling him a wanker based on an overview of his political career. But I think we've done this before, so I'll leave it there.

[San Bernardhinault]

I think it's reasonable to call him a wanker based on his previous, and it's reasonable to start with pretty low expectations because he's run as a centrist and has a history as a centrist.

I don't think it's reasonable to be disappointed against unrealistic expectations. And I think a lot of people are chomping at the bit to find ways to be disappointed

[Hot Pepsi]

I think it's reasonable to call him a wanker based on his previous, and it's reasonable to start with pretty low expectations because he's run as a centrist and has a history as a centrist.

I don't think it's reasonable to be disappointed against unrealistic expectations. And I think a lot of people are chomping at the bit to find ways to be disappointed

Life is too short for that, I've found.

[WOM]

Tbf, I'm calling him a wanker based on an overview of his political career.

Fair enough.

[WOM]

I, for one, expect them to control both houses and use that power to swiftly enact electoral reform, universal healthcare, a national minimum living wage, and a host of other socialist dreams.

[DCI Harry Batt]

That seems unlikely, tbh, WOM. I think you're going to be disappointed.

[WOM]

That seems unlikely, tbh, WOM. I think you're going to be disappointed.

Oh. Well, okay then.

[Tactical Genius]

There's no justification for anyone to vote for Trump under any circumstances so I don't know what I'm supposed to think about Black people voting for him.

In your opinion.
Try thinking a bit more sensibly than assuming black men think his "divorced dad energy" was a large motivating factor.

I'm a person who likes to deal with facts and not half baked opinions that chime with my inner prejudices so I would like to know why you have not gone in on the other minority groups in the same manner?

For example, the LGBT community where double the numbers voted for Trump than black men. Aaround 30+% according to the pink news.
https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/11/0...election-pool/

Or the Jewish community where Trump apparently got 30% of the vote.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/how-di...ture-is-clear/

Or the Asian community, again around 30%
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-a...s-don-n1240263

I suspect that, like everyone else who voted for him, they're either just woefully misinformed and/or just think that anyone who will lower their taxes is good.

Has it occurred to you, there are a large number of Black people in America who have been personally affected by 50 years of anti-black racist policies championed by Biden (especially in the 80's and 90's)
Apparently 1in 10 black children has a parent behind bars according to this article.
https://www.themarshallproject.org/2...ration-mystery

Add to that Harris, who has made it a mission to lock up as many black people as possible throughout her career and fight tooth and nail to keep them in jail even when they should be released so she can use them as slave labour to put out the homes of rich white people living in sundown towns.

There's been a lot written about that. Athletes of all ethnicities often think they're a lot smarter than they actually are because there are so many people around them kissing their ass. Many of them managed to attend and, in some cases, graduate from universities that never would have accepted them in a million years based on their academic record alone, but they don't see it that way. They also tend to believe that just because they managed to get rich by "working hard" that anyone can do it if they try hard enough. They believe in "survival of the fittest" because that has always worked out fine for them. They also don't want to pay income tax on their obscene salaries or pay high property taxes on their ridiculous McMansions.

This just comes across as jealousy and hate. Leave them be and fair play to them. I speak as someone when knew a lot elite footballers when I was a schoolboy and only a small fraction of them made it (most dropping out through injury and are now scratching a living).

[Tactical Genius]

I, for one, expect them to control both houses and use that power to swiftly enact electoral reform, universal healthcare, a national minimum living wage, and a host of other socialist dreams.

The effects of weed being legalised in the GTA

Hot Pepsi

Harris was not "a disaster." Primary candidates fail to gain traction for all kinds of reasons. In this case, she wasn't left enough to do better than Bernie or Warren - indeed, her record as a prosecutor repels progressives - and she doesn't have the relationships or track record with the Democratic establishment that Biden does. California is an enormous state. It's not surprising that somebody from there wouldn't win the primary there.

Some excellent historical revisionism there mate.
Harris was the pick of the elite California Democrats that hold alot of power in the party (willie Brown, Pelosi and Feinstein. When she launched her campaign, she was getting alot of positive write ups by the press and some on here were swayed by her based on her cross examinations of shifty types in the senate .............. until the Tactical Genius dropped receipts (I am contractually obliged to refer to myself in the third person once per week). Kamala failed because she had a poor track record in politics, was a terrible liar and an even worse interviewee.

[Tactical Genius]

HP, you just don't understand disaster culture. Biden is a racist disaster who swindled his way into being the VP choice for the first Black President. Harris is a disaster who swindled her way into being the VP choice for the first disaster. They've both failed their way to the top. Both are worse than Trump, yet they somehow won.

Capisce?

I note you are deflecting away from not answering my question about Obama and hip hop culture.

Biden is a racist, that's an unarguable fact and he confirms that if you allow him to ramble on more than 5 seconds.
There is a good reason he has spent most of the election campaign hidden away from the media and giving very short speeches.
The same applies to Harris, if their handlers had let them talk more, the Democrats would surely have lost this election.

Failing to the White House is an apt description, finally something we agree on.

[johnr]

I, for one, expect them to control both houses and use that power to swiftly enact electoral reform, universal healthcare, a national minimum living wage, and a host of other socialist dreams.

I think that the suspicion - OK, my suspicion - is that even if they had that power, that wouldn't even try to enact anything like those 'dreams'.

(I mean, given that they've never argued for them at all, afaik.)

[Tactical Genius]

I think that the suspicion - OK, my suspicion - is that even if they had that power, that wouldn't even try to enact anything like those 'dreams'.

(I mean, given that they've never argued for them at all, afaik.)

You are not the only one, I share your sentiments.

Biden was VP for 8 years and a Senator for nearly 40.
I would challenge anyone to list his top 5 achievements policy-wise?

[Nefertiti2]

He could have appointed Warren. We were saying that he was a pretty dodgy with support him against Trump but the world is in crisis, a climate crisis, an ownership crisis, a hunger crisis, a viral crisis, a democracy crisis. There’s no going back to normal here or in the US.

and frankly SB saying “what do you expect?” does you no credit . This is your guy. This is our planet. Help save it.