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    #26
    Originally posted by Jimski View Post
    I'm afraid one thing Trump has achieved is to get me to think of him as being called "Sleepy Joe".
    I remember liking the song as a child

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      #27
      Yes. The GOP establishment are going to be very strong for Nikki Haley. Particularly as she's not massively tainted by a record of votes supporting the Trump regime, but has also never said much negative about it and was an obedient (but short term) appointee.

      But I think that both Sasse and Cotton believe that they have the Right Stuff to be President, and you never now how willing the Republican electorate will be to support a white dude over a non-white non-dude.

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        #28
        There are reasons not to run Haley against Harris, though.

        Which is what the likes of Sasse and Cotton are counting on.

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          #29
          I can see the GOP thinking their best chance for 2024 is to go full on nationalist MAGA death cult and pick the nearest to s Trump clone they can.

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            #30
            Originally posted by Sean of the Shed View Post
            I can see the GOP thinking their best chance for 2024 is to go full on nationalist MAGA death cult and pick the nearest to s Trump clone they can.
            Ivanka

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              #31
              https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1324430028860493826?s=20

              which one though?

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                #32
                Excellent piece by Adam Tooze

                https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/05/biden-presidency-face-obstruction-election

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                  #33
                  The new dawn

                  https://twitter.com/davidimarcus/status/1324830635035258880?s=21

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                    #34
                    https://twitter.com/itsdannyneary/status/1323739681075449858?s=20

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                      #35
                      https://twitter.com/gabyhinsliff/status/1324990339476811776?s=21

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                        #36
                        Originally posted by NHH View Post
                        It will be hotter, and wetter; that much we know for certain.
                        Unless you live in a rain shadow?

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                          #37
                          In actual news it appears that the first person that Biden’s appointed as an adviser is Gary Gensler - who has worked a lot with Elizabeth Warren on the stuff - to work on oversight of Wall Street. It’s a tiny sliver of policy, but it’s reassuring when you kind of wondered if he’d be offering that kind of gig to Jamie Dimon as an olive branch to reassure the markets

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                            #38
                            There have been a lot of pundits arguing that Warren as Treasury Secretary is "off the table" if the Dems don't have control of the Senate, but I am not convinced of the truth of that take (while at the same time not ignoring the significant opposition within her own party).

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                              #39
                              Ironically, I think the opposite is true. If the Senate is 52R-48D, then appointing Warren and losing her vote in the Senate and allowing Charlie Baker to appoint a Republican in her place is actually much less damaging that if the Senate is 50-50.

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                                #40
                                The pundits are all focusing on confirmation chances and ignoring her role in the Senate, which is dumb, but typical of punditry. I'm not sure that she would want to leave a 50-50 or 49-51 Senate.

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                                  #41
                                  I expect that Harris will be groomed for 2024, with her running the show as a proxy president starting in halfway through Biden's term (mid-terms will be a good guide as to how the wind blows).

                                  Biden will do some good things, and those will blind us to the Dem's internal struggle. Jim Clyburn virtually announced it on CNN: neutralise the progessive wing and remain in the centre. Their narrative is blaming the AOCs of the party for losing the Dem's Congressional races. Not their candidates being bloodless party hacks, or being made to act like bloodless party hacks, instead of offering a truly alternative vision, but the people offering a vision.

                                  But it's candidates who disrupt the norms that succeed. In presidential terms: the peanut farmer from Georgia with a big grin; a folksy ex-actor who tells it as it is and offers hope; a young governor from Arkansas who jacks to Fleetwood Mac; a gurning guy who manages to hide hjs patrician upbringing beneath a big Texas oilman's hat and a folksy demeanour; the young black first-term senator who says things we never hear; a snakeoil salerman out of PT Barnum's circus. And in the mid-terms 2016, women of colour who want to see structural change. Biden's win was no repudiation of the desire for change but a validation for change from the PT Barnum guy.

                                  We are rid of Trump, and thankfully Biden did the job. And Biden will do many good things. But mainly, he'll be an obstacle to a truly progressive vision. Biden/Harris will seek to build bridges with people who'll burn them from the other side instead of fulfilling the mandate given to them by young and marginalised people, the ones who came out in force to beat Trump's increased votes. The middle ground shifted blue only a bit, but the greater shift came from people who were now engaged. The trick is to keep them engaged. A centrist agenda won't accomplish that.

                                  And that is why Kamala Harris will lose in 2024, unless she can sell herself as a progressive disrupter.

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                                    #42
                                    Of course, in addition to a progressive agenda, the Democrats also need a Stacey Abrams type figure in every state to lead voter registration drives, build up town-by-town campaign networks, and generally do everything to ensure that even in the reddest of states, they at least make the Senate and House races as competitive as feasibly possible, all of which seemed to wither on the vine between 2008 and now. Of course, perhaps the states that our US posters mentioned in the main thread will go irrevocably red in the future, but such seems the best preventative strategy.


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                                      #43
                                      I appreciate old Joe has his shortcomings, but I learned a crucial fact this morning.

                                      He has a rescued German Shepherd Dog.

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                                        #44
                                        The guys who runs Seat 61 is chuffed, Biden loves his trains...

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                                          #45
                                          In every survey Americans in general want socialised healthcare, just as teh Brits seem to want nationalised railways and free third level, but it's not what drives the bulk to vote one way or another. The Progressive Disruptor candidate of 2024 may just burn as hard as Corbyn in Racist Island 2019, the Centrist might win.

                                          Obama's rhetoric may have been all about the change, but even his campaign platform in 2008 was pretty centrist. Depressingly, maybe FDR type radical shifts left will never win again in the US, under the voting system there now, without organised Labour being a thing or a threat to the power centre.

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                                            #46
                                            your call Joe...

                                            https://twitter.com/matthewstoller/status/1325169739048620033?s=20

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                                              #47
                                              Nicely done, Bernie

                                              https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1325221098003304453?s=20

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                                                #48
                                                If Schumer is serious, I am on board with that.

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                                                  #49
                                                  Originally posted by Flynnie View Post
                                                  If Schumer is serious, I am on board with that.
                                                  Definitely. I don't care if he's only doing it because he fears a primary challenge.

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                                                    #50
                                                    Joe "loves with abandon" says Kamala.

                                                    He'll have to cut that out.

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