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    On Friday last week the Romanian government collapsed in a vote of no-confidence (that's the second government we've lost in about three months - to lose one seems unfortunate, two seems like carelessness). Just in time for the four day weekend brought on by the (now historical) government's decision to tack a bridge day between the weekend and may 1st.

    Anyway, we now have a new government (or we will very soon, once they get through the little hurdles), and we will see what happens. Politics nerds might find the whole process relatively interesting - the unpopular government of some months ago (we'll call it the Boc government, as that is what it was called here) - resigned en masse after coming up against lots of blocks and protests against its austerity obsession. The constitution in these instances says that the president nominates the next PM, who, if parliament approves him (or her, but I can't see it being a her anytime soon), then forms a government. If the parliament rejects the President's choice twice then there has to be a new general election. So Basescu (president) offered up someone who seemed to be specifically designed to be rejected so he could paint the dominant USL opposition coalition as intransigent. But they agreed and voted him in.

    Now some time later and the new PM (Ungureanu), was apparently doing a reasonably good job of convincing people that he wasn't just the usual shit Romanian politician, and was getting increasingly popular. Hence Friday's vote of no confidence. Again, everybody expected Basescu to nominate a PM who would be rejected, but to everyone's surprise he went ahead and nominated the leader of the PSD (traditional post-Ceasescu force in Romanian politics and home to large numbers of the nomenklatura). (The PSD being one of the major partners in the USL grouping). This, it is suggested, is because someone from outside (ie the EU) lent on him and said that Romania couldn't afford the instability of lots of dicking around playing political games. I have no idea if this is true, but it was a bit of a surprise.

    Anyway, we now have a new PM -Victor Ponta. A friend from Bucharest who spent the weekend with us plays football with Ponta and says "You can get a lot of insights into a man's character from how they behave on the football pitch, and Ponta is an aggressive, cheating, dirty, uber-competitive little shit"

    So, then, isn't there an election in Greece coming up?

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    Greece is this Sunday isn't it?

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      #3
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      Yep. Same day as France.

      It seems to me France always votes on a Sunday, just like Americans always vote on a Tuesday.

      Are there other countries with different regular days of the week? Does anyone vote on a Friday?

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        #4
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        The last Irish election was a Friday, but there's no set day, generally following the UK tradition, most votes are on Thursday, like the upcoming referendum.

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          #5
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          Thursday in the UK

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            #6
            I mentioned yesterday that it was local election day in Romania, which i;m happy to say has seen virtually nothing but good results and a large swathe of people who have been in power all over the country practically since 1990 in many cases kicked out finally (either by independent candidates or newer parties that tend to be anti-corruption for the most part (whether or not they get identified as 'right" or "left" by a media that wants to simplify things to that level))

            This result in particular was noteable
            https://twitter.com/ic_iordachescu/status/1310326350645993475

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              #7
              such a relief to have a bit of good news, thanks for sharing ad hoc.

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                #8
                Yeah, thanks.

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                  #9
                  Another Green and Whyte smash and grab raid on Romania

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by ad hoc View Post
                    I mentioned yesterday that it was local election day in Romania, which i;m happy to say has seen virtually nothing but good results and a large swathe of people who have been in power all over the country practically since 1990 in many cases kicked out finally (either by independent candidates or newer parties that tend to be anti-corruption for the most part (whether or not they get identified as 'right" or "left" by a media that wants to simplify things to that level))

                    This result in particular was noteable
                    https://twitter.com/ic_iordachescu/status/1310326350645993475
                    Particularly interesting given the historic Saxon population in the city, and of course, the key role it played in igniting the Romanian Revolution.

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                      #11
                      Timisoara never really had a historical Saxon population. At all really. The Banat, which is the area which it's in, had a fairly big Schwab (is that what they're called in English? Swabian?) population as well as Romanian, Serbian, and Hungarian (and in modern times a fairly large Italian connection). But yes, it was the flashpoint that set off the 89 revolution.

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                        #12
                        Swabian is more common in English

                        Quite the remarkable result

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                          #13
                          A Frenchwoman won the mayorship of one of the districts of Bucharest too, though she is a naturalised Romanian with a passport, unlike Fritz in Timisoara

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                            #14
                            So are we using this one?

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by TonTon View Post
                              So are we using this one?
                              Yeah, let's

                              So, to bring over from the other thread, Romania's government fell yesterday as had been obvious for weeks. But we're now in this weird limbo in which the government seems likely to limp on in minority for a while as nobody else really wants to be in charge. With electricity and gas prices going through the roof, just in time for winter, and many people basically living on the poverty line anyway, and with Covid cases rising exponentially, Romania is set for the next few months being a complete disaster (and I don't exaggerate there). To be honest, successive governments here have been crap or ineffectual or both, and the advances in Romania seem to be more or less entirely down to the EU pushing. But while the EU can support positive initiatives and make some inroads into organised crime, it can;t convince people to get vaccinated, nor can it apparently bring gas prices down. So, in short we're fucked.

                              In parliament, which is broadly speaking just theatre, the current situation is caused largely by a battle at the top of the PNL, which is the largest party in the governing coalition (well, now the only party in the government). The two main players, Orban (not that one), the former PM, and Citu, the current PM, have been at each other's throats for a while and there was an election within the party as to its leader. Citu was accused of directing state funds to counties and regions that he wanted to support him, and as a result the USR, the second biggest coalition partner, whose raison d'etre is anti-corruption, pulled out. We've been waiting for a motion of no confidence to be put forward to force the issue a bit, but nobody really wanted to do that, because nobody actually wants to take over. Citu then won the leadership election at the weekend, and the logical next step was for him to step down as PM, while retianing party leadership becxause then the coalition partners would come back in and all would be well. But for whatever reasons, (arrogance? power?) they/he chose not to do that, so the no confidence motion was finally put forward and voted on yesterday, which the government of course lost by a mile (in fact they abstained knowing they;d lose, so it was something ridiculous like 300-0). Anyway, it seems they'll limp on as a minority government while the country slides into disaster (and of course the big winners of all this at the end of the day will likely be the far right anti-everything AUR party)

                              So...not to put too fine a point on it, Romania is up shit creek

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                                #16
                                Is there any nostalgiac desire to return to the good old days of communism in places behind the iron curtain, in the same way that Tory voters here seem determined to take us back to the good old days of the 3-day-week and power cuts of the 70s?

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                                  Not in any meaningful sense no. There's a certain nostalgia among the older generation for things like certainty and low crime and a kind of social safety net which they associate with that period. But I think that generation also still remembers very vividly the privations and the sense of being under surveillance. And one of the reasons given for low vaccination rates is a mistrust in government which also stems from then, I'd say. I certainly wouldn't say there is any nostalgia for "communism" whatever people understand by that word, but having said that I think the evidence from Hungary suggests that a large number of people would be totally fine with having a lot of their freedoms stripped away, and returning to an era of state propaganda

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                                    #18
                                    There may not be in Romania, but there certainly has been in the Czech Republic. The Communist Party is still called that, and holds 15 seats (7.5%) in the Czech parliament and one of the countries 21 MEPs. That said the 15 seats in the most recent election is a substantial decline - it had previously been around the 30 mark ever since the Velvet Revolution. Not just a one-off, this trend was mirrored in pretty well every other sort of election since ~2015. But then, it's core support is very much in the literal dying off period.

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                                      #19
                                      Mussolini's granddaughter, who represents the right of Berlusconi Fratelli d'Italia, was the highest vote getter in Rome's city council,elections

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