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    #51
    https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1307126618020892678

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      #52
      Hell she is good, and necessary.

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        #53
        Yes, thank goodness we have her in Congress.

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          #54
          Lawrence Douglas favours court packing. I think this should at least be used as a threat that might give some GOP senators a factor to weigh in thd balance: if I vote for Trump's nominee, I get a packed Supreme Court if Biden beats Trump.

          https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ats-should-too

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            #55
            Marco Rubio has posted "The most difficult months in a generation are now upon us. Pray that God protect our country."


            No, senator. You protect our country, as you were elected to do.

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              #56
              My guess is that Florida and Ohio GOP are focusing on getting the vote out rather than appealing to undecideds. It might backfire by showing what weaselly cowards they are, or is it a case of risk losing the senate at some point before 2024 in order to get a 6-3 SCOTUS in 2020?:

              https://twitter.com/ClevelandScene/status/1307493930808872961
              Last edited by Satchmo Distel; 20-09-2020, 14:07.

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                #57
                One interesting outcome of a 6-3 SCOTUS is that it would remove one of the biggest drivers of conservative turnout. All the conservative justices are fairly young and would be expected to serve many more years. There's basically no way to create fear of a liberal supreme court. Voting for the court has been a key message for Republicans for the last three decades: "put up with our vileness and we'll serve your religious interests on the court". It's hard to see that being such a compelling message when the "swing justice" is going to be Neil Gorsuch.

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                  #58
                  This is a good take

                  https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1307712241463185410?s=21

                  Yes having a large right wing majority on the Supreme Court would be really positive for the centre and left in the USA,because possibly the Republican base wouldn’t be so motivated to vote.

                  the fact that they wouldn’t need to as it would be a whole lot easier to buy and gerrymander elections is a minor consideration
                  Last edited by Nefertiti2; 20-09-2020, 16:32.

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                    #59
                    I did not say it would be a positive. I said it would be an interesting outcome.

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                      #60
                      Yes, "interesting"- A bit like a spell on the rack.
                      Last edited by Nefertiti2; 20-09-2020, 17:59.

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                        #61
                        Originally posted by Nefertiti2 View Post
                        This is a good take

                        https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1307712241463185410?s=21

                        Yes having a large right wing majority on the Supreme Court would be really positive for the centre and left in the USA,because possibly the Republican base wouldn’t be so motivated to vote.

                        the fact that they wouldn’t need to as it would be a whole lot easier to buy and gerrymander elections is a minor consideration
                        A broken clock, etc...

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                          #62
                          It is worth remembering that Nixon appointed four judges who made some perverse decisions, such as the one that condemned working class blacks to receive an inferior education forever

                          https://www.oyez.org/cases/1972/71-1332

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                            #63
                            Originally posted by Nefertiti2 View Post
                            Yes, "interesting"- A bit like a spell on the rack.
                            San B is trying to explore the situation, because, to quote Bob Vylan "We Live Here". Your armchair critique isn't particularly welcome when those you are scoring points against are actually going to live under this rule of law.

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                              #64
                              Another thing that occurs to me about a 6-3 conservative court where the oldest of them is a mere 72 is that there are almost zero negative consequences to court packing now.

                              There's no way that there will be a liberal Supreme Court majority within a decade (and probably a lot longer) without court packing. The usual complaints are "If you do it, they will do it too", which is the risk with getting rid of, say, the Senate filibuster. But in this instance, them doing it too just returns us to the expected status quo. If conservatives packed the court in 4 years time, you'd just end up back where we already are.

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                                #65
                                If Dems hadn't lost to Fuckface von Clownstick in 2016 they'd have a 6-3 court now. Although Kennedy was never going to retire under a Democrat, was he?
                                Last edited by anton pulisov; 20-09-2020, 23:09.

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                                  #66
                                  That assumes that Mitch McConnell would have been compliant

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                                    #67
                                    Originally posted by caja-dglh View Post

                                    San B is trying to explore the situation, because, to quote Bob Vylan "We Live Here". Your armchair critique isn't particularly welcome when those you are scoring points against are actually going to live under this rule of law.

                                    Is the new OTF position that only those living in a country can comment on events that happen there?

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                                      #68
                                      Originally posted by Satchmo Distel View Post
                                      It is worth remembering that Nixon appointed four judges who made some perverse decisions, such as the one that condemned working class blacks to receive an inferior education forever

                                      https://www.oyez.org/cases/1972/71-1332
                                      Was it Ruth Ginsberg who when asked about police brutality and the killing of black men said, "well things are better than what they used to be"?

                                      And didn't she label athletes taking the knee to protest police violence as "stupid"?

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                                        #69
                                        receipts here.
                                        https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ero-after-all/
                                        RBG is your quintessential Liberal.

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                                          #70
                                          You likely won't have much room for this, but it's possible her views evolved over the past 4 years. October 2016 was a long time ago, and many, many people have come around to hold (more educated / informed) views on race that they didn't hold then.

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                                            #71
                                            The NAACP had this to say:

                                            "The NAACP family is devastated by the passing tonight of Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Justice Ginsburg was an incredibly accomplished civil rights lawyer who devoted her entire legal career to the pursuit of equal justice and eliminating discrimination of all types."

                                            https://www.naacp.org/latest/naacp-d...ader-ginsburg/

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                                              #72
                                              Originally posted by Tactical Genius View Post
                                              receipts here.
                                              https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ero-after-all/
                                              RBG is your quintessential Liberal.
                                              Liberals can sometimes do goods things, even if they often do bad things. Conservatives always do bad things.

                                              The NAACP has usually been liberal; it's entire premise is reform via the enforcement of the Constitution, ignoring the fact that the Constitution was written by slaveowners.
                                              Last edited by Satchmo Distel; 21-09-2020, 11:47.

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                                                #73
                                                We need to be clear, as well, that we are defining liberal in the same way. I wouldn't know where to start.
                                                Last edited by Sporting; 21-09-2020, 12:00.

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                                                  #74
                                                  Liberalism in this context is the belief that you can eliminate racism without dismantling and replacing the capitalist social structure within which white power is embedded; and that the best chance for blacks to obtain freedom and wealth is to work with whites rather than seeing whiteness itself as the cause of their oppression. We reject liberalism when we see that western capitalism is intrinsically white. To paraphrase Baldwin, blackness was created because whiteness was created. I am black because you are white. And you created white and black to justify capitalism based on colonialism and slavery.
                                                  Last edited by Satchmo Distel; 21-09-2020, 12:05.

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                                                    #75
                                                    Originally posted by WOM View Post
                                                    You likely won't have much room for this, but it's possible her views evolved over the past 4 years. October 2016 was a long time ago, and many, many people have come around to hold (more educated / informed) views on race that they didn't hold then.
                                                    Well in a country so free of racism you can see why she didn't possess more progressive views /s
                                                    I'll file her under 'part of the problem'

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