Statues to racists and slaveowners

[elguapo4]

+1 he's being getting away with shit like this for years as the " edgy " historian. He seems to have a particular problem with female historians as well.

[ursus arctos]

Aggressive misogyny is an important element of this particular "brand"

[pebblethefish]

It was one of those jaw-dropping comments that made me think "Uh-oh, Nef's fallen for fake news again." Appears I was wrong.

[ChrisJ]

I have no doubt that the people pulling that statue down broke a law somewhere. The law seems to have punished them to the minimal possible extent in order to make the matter closed.

Yeah, soz I get that. It was that once the council had made the complaint - which it didn't have to do - the rest followed. There was no real appetite for prosecutions in Bristol AFAIK. Even the local paper refused to circulate the pictures of the topplers. The (local) police have done as well as they could have in these circumstance (as opposed to the Police Federation who can fuck right off).

[Nefertiti2]

Starkey said the quiet part loud

https://twitter.com/louis_allday/status/1278636923330928642?s=21

[ooh aah]

Starkey's an old fraud anyway, almost all of the historians who have a wider public persona are: Niall Ferguson, Andrew Roberts, even Simon Scharma to an extent. The moment they try to expand beyond their very narrow speciality (which in Starkey's case is Henry VIII and fuck all else) they begin to look very mediocre indeed.

[sw2borshch]

As at least one commenter under that Twitter thread has pointed out, that would also mean that the Holocaust wasn't a genocide, although Starkey's probably cunning enough to not actually say that out loud.

The whole thing also means Starkey doesn't understand the meaning of the word genocide, which isn't that unusual but I feel we should expect better general knowledge from a prominent public intellectual.

What a nasty old goat.

[elguapo4]

Starkey's an old fraud anyway, almost all of the historians who have a wider public persona are: Niall Ferguson, Andrew Roberts, even Simon Scharma to an extent. The moment they try to expand beyond their very narrow speciality (which in Starkey's case is Henry VIII and fuck all else) they begin to look very mediocre indeed.

Never heard of the first two, I think you're being harsh on Scharma.

[sw2borshch]

Schama.

[elguapo4]

Apologies.

[sw2borshch]

Ferguson has the honour of his own OTF thread.

https://www.onetouchfootball.com/for...-charlatan-c-t

[sw2borshch]

Apologies.

Hey, I'm blaming ooh aah. And me for being so rude as to point it out.

[ooh aah]

Yeah sorry, was typing on my phone, not really thinking about it. I like Schama, his History of Britain, while not without its flaws, was still a great doc. He also did The Power of Art, which was very good. But when he enters the realm of politics, he's a bit wishy washy, and not very consistent. I only really included him to not make it look like I was ragging on the right wingers. I did add 'to an extent' when I mentioned him.

Generally I find the historians who are more likely to stick to their area, and only go beyond that when asked (say, Antony Beevor, Mary Beard, Adrian Goldsworthy) are the ones I'd like to hear more from. The ones itching to be front and centre can fuck off, and get back to doing some research for a change.

[ursus arctos]

There is tremendous inherent danger for any historian in venturing far outside of one's area of expertise in a quest to be " more relevant". Schama's work on the Dutch Golden Age remains extremely important.

[Nefertiti2]

Let's have a TV historians thread...

[DCI Harry Batt]

There's that awful Scottish fella, with the hair. He's awful.

[elguapo4]

There's that awful Scottish fella, with the hair. He's awful.

Neil Olivier, he's certainly full of himself.

[Nefertiti2]

Oh Jeremy Corbyn...

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/102140901354258432?s=21

[Lang Spoon]

Neil Olivier, he's certainly full of himself.

He's not a historian, he's an archaeologist. His BBC4 pseudo histories on Scotland and "clans" were a fuckin disgrace. Think he's off to New Zealand now after being shite at running the Scottish National Trust. A fuckin Unionist of course, and was laying into BLM the other week like the cunt he is.

[Nefertiti2]

Oliver seems to be a right cunt

https://twitter.com/oldnorthroad/status/1278792033155637248?s=21
Black lives don’t matter

https://twitter.com/independent/status/1278613917913223168?s=21

[Evariste Euler Gauss]

I'd practically forgotten that Neil Oliver existed, and had to google a bit to see what he's done or said recently to cause offence, but having learnt from that that he supported Cummings after his Durham and Barnard Castle jaunts, yes, he is total scum.

[DCI Harry Batt]

Neil Olivier, he's certainly full of himself.

That's the badger. He's rotten.

[Edit: As LS said]

[Balderdasha]

A new statue has appeared on the empty Colston plinth. It's of Jen Reid, a Black Lives Matter protester who climbed onto the plinth and gave a black power fist salute: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-53414463

[hobbes]

That’s grand, that.

[Tactical Genius]

A new statue has appeared on the empty Colston plinth. It's of Jen Reid, a Black Lives Matter protester who climbed onto the plinth and gave a black power fist salute: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-53414463

They should leave it up there for 100 years whilst everyone drags their feet with endless discussions. See how the racist like that