Laura Kuenssberg / Dominic Cummings

[White No Sugar]

This. We are so fucked. With Brexit to come. And a second wave. And a third wave. And a ... wave.

I want to leave but it's going to take Mrs AE some persuading.

This is no longer my home, the referendum confirmed that, this is merely rubbing salt into extremely open wounds.

I’m presuming you’ve somewhere in mind that you’d be allowed to settle in. When you go could you please buy an extra couple of very large suitcases as MrsNoSugar and myself qualify for nowhere. My 3% Norwegian dna result doesn’t meet any countries criteria. You can tell us where we’ve moved too once we get there....and which team we support.

[Antepli Ejderha]

I’m presuming you’ve somewhere in mind that you’d be allowed to settle in. When you go could you please buy an extra couple of very large suitcases as MrsNoSugar and myself qualify for nowhere. My 3% Norwegian dna result doesn’t meet any countries criteria. You can tell us where we’ve moved too once we get there....and which team we support.

I've got 3% Swedish which gets me nowhere either.

Mrs AE is Turkish but we've lived there, and 10 years ago it felt like how the UK is now, deeply polarised etc, so we left.

New Zealand seems like a decent place as do others but there's a language barrier, for example Germany.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

[Wouter D]

[...] the guidance that social distancing is more effective than face masks* [...]

*Despite the evidence, especially from Japan

Could you provide a link to such evidence?

[Toby Gymshorts]

I really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, REALLY fucking hate this country.

[White No Sugar]

I've got 3% Swedish which gets me nowhere either.

Mrs AE is Turkish but we've lived there, and 10 years ago it felt like how the UK is now, deeply polarised etc, so we left.

New Zealand seems like a decent place as do others but there's a language barrier, for example Germany.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

I was in Istanbul last year and had a great week. Couldn’t get a match ticket as we didn’t have Turkish bank accounts! Stayed with a mate. We bumped into an old school friend of his who was great fun so we had a good night on the lash over on the Asian side. As we said our goodbyes the old school friend wanted to brush foreheads. Thinking this was an old Turkish custom I did. Turns out it’s some sort of fascist salute! Goes to show you never can tell.
Stop the world I want to get off.

Anyone think there’s a chance of still being able to move to France, Portugal, Spain or Italy once the Brexit dust settles with my 3% Norwegian heritage? Seriously?

[Antepli Ejderha]

That fascist greeting of bumping foreheads really gets to me, along with the wolf gesture on one hand, I genuinely fear for my safety if I am in a crowd and see those. There was a lot at football matches unsurprisingly.

We've not been back for a few years now and as much as we'd like our daughter to connect to her culture it's going to be a while before we next go.

[Antepli Ejderha]

Wales and Scotland don't seem like bad options either.

[Various Artist]

Brexity Wales? I don't feel terribly in tune with the referendum voters' sentiment this side of the border, I have to say AE.

[Sporting]

Most predominantly Welsh-speaking areas voted remain.

[Antepli Ejderha]

Brexity Wales? I don't feel terribly in tune with the referendum voters' sentiment this side of the border, I have to say AE.

The handling of COVID-19 has been better than in England VA. I'm hoping that there will be a change in attitude regarding Brexit and independence now.

[Various Artist]

Hmm. Fair points. We will see...

[The Red Max]

Wales and Scotland don't seem like bad options either.

You'll be very welcome.
Bring cake.

[Vicarious Thrillseeker]

The handling of COVID-19 has been better than in England VA. I'm hoping that there will be a change in attitude regarding Brexit and independence now.

Go west. Nice people, cheaper housing, beautiful coast.

[ChrisJ]

The handling of COVID-19 has been better than in England VA.

That's not a very high bar. I'd aspire to more than that, if I were you.

[pebblethefish]

Oi! Nothing wrong with our handling of the crisis! Not a single person who's died of it has subsequently complained.

[Various Artist]

This seems an ideal time to post this picture, which I snapped of the front page of the Western Mail last month. One gets the slight feeling that they've had the headline on file for decades and have been waiting all this time to finally have a solid reason to deploy it:

[pebblethefish]

Of course, that's perfectly allowable. I'm sure if the Daily Mail had reported "Stay out of England, Chinese warned" a few months ago, everyone would have bee fine with it.

[ChrisJ]

Of course, that's perfectly allowable. I'm sure if the Daily Mail had reported "Stay out of England, Chinese warned" a few months ago, everyone would have bee fine with it.

Daily Mail readers would have been delighted with it. In fact, are you sure they haven't?

Anyway all this is nothing new. Pat's been posting about keeping out the evil, racist hordes from east of the dyke for weeks now. So, I can't go the EU and I can't even head 15 miles west even though I speak the language better than most of the locals. Fucking thanks!

[Snake Plissken]

Also, I think that a large number of English people would probably agree with the sentiment.

[pebblethefish]

I think a large number of Welsh people would agree with the original statement. The Welsh independence movement has the same toxic reasoning as the Brexit movement - national sovereignty, don't want people form other countries coming in - but because they're plucky little Wales, not big bad old England, they're somehow better?

[Vicarious Thrillseeker]

I think a large number of Welsh people would agree with the original statement. The Welsh independence movement has the same toxic reasoning as the Brexit movement - national sovereignty, don't want people form other countries coming in - but because they're plucky little Wales, not big bad old England, they're somehow better?

I'm not sure that statement holds water. The reason I joined Plaid upon my return to Wales was that they had a broader, more socialist platform than Welsh Labour - and were much more welcoming to other nationals settling in Wales. Adam Price and Leanne Wood have both been excellent in presenting an inclusive, diverse Wales.

[ChrisJ]

Welsh nationalism is undoubtedly less toxic than many other nationalisms I can think of but won't name, because Snake's already having a difficult day. "If you want to live here, you qualify," tends to be the tone I pick up* and that's fine. TBH, if the UK had a decent government, they wouldn't get much traction IMHO. My previous remarks were tongue in cheek.

However, Wales is well Brexity and can't escape that one.

*Barring the usual stuff about second homes, locals being priced out, etc, but that's in every 'nice' place in the world. I was in Seville in Feb. and half the graffiti was on this.

[Antepli Ejderha]

All nationalisms are toxic.

I'm hoping that Wales realises that following and mirroring an English Brexit agenda will see them treated as the bastard son of the bastard son, Cornwall is the same. Both countries should see their futures in Europe, like Scotland and Ireland, rather than as independent or autonomous regions of the UK, if that still exists.

Westminster and Johnson care nowt for Wales and will fuck them over at the first opportunity, we've already seen that with university places.

Apologies for the incoherent rant.

[Walt Flanagans Dog]

Beyond parody....

https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1268256786747883533?s=19

[Amor de Cosmos]

All nationalisms are toxic.

This.

And this again.