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    Owen Jones is on Question Time tonight

    E10 Rifle wrote: It certainly was when applied to their conduct in the miners' strike (another of this year's disinterred scandals).
    More like an invading army?

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      I was in a pub in Wealdstone last night when the young woman behind the bar started going on about Owen Jones. Apparently he'd been in the pub on Saturday night with some mates and she was extremely miffed that she wasn't there. She said that she's got a copy of The Establishment: And How They Get Away with It which she loves and she wants him to sign it. Journalist as superstar...

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        Interesting to see how Jones is a hell of a lot more famous than he was when this thread was first started.

        I used to work with Jones' brother. He definitely shared his politics (but not his non-interest in football).

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          Originally posted by Gangster Octopus View Post
          I was in a pub in Wealdstone last night when the young woman behind the bar started going on about Owen Jones. Apparently he'd been in the pub on Saturday night with some mates and she was extremely miffed that she wasn't there. She said that she's got a copy of The Establishment: And How They Get Away with It which she loves and she wants him to sign it. Journalist as superstar...
          Did anyone see the palaver where local paper scribes had a go at Owen Jones saying he wasn't a journalist but a columnist. And that meant he had no right to comment on journalists coming from a privileged background? Then, having done that, they returned to typing up PR releases about new hotel concepts and stories concerning which soap star went to which bar this weekend.

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            Owen Jones attracts disproportionate bile from his detractors in much the same way that Polly Toynbee used to. It rises from their fear of what they think he represents rather than what he says or does on any given day. He does seem to put the hours in to earn the activist part of his portmanteau job description.

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              Judging by the comments from "wingco's centrist mates" (tm) he's almost as loathed by that constituency as Corbyn. I don't really know why

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                Because he reminds them of what they used to be before they sold out.

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                  Originally posted by Gangster Octopus View Post
                  I was in a pub in Wealdstone last night when the young woman behind the bar started going on about Owen Jones. Apparently he'd been in the pub on Saturday night with some mates and she was extremely miffed that she wasn't there. She said that she's got a copy of The Establishment: And How They Get Away with It which she loves and she wants him to sign it. Journalist as superstar...
                  I thought he was (and described himself) as a columnist, and not a journalist per se, as in someone directly involved in reportage, rather than trying to mould opinion?

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                    There's no doubting his sincerity, but like many socialists, he tends to err towards ideological purity, rather than pragmatism.

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                      Originally posted by Diable Rouge View Post
                      There's no doubting his sincerity, but like many socialists, he tends to err towards ideological purity, rather than pragmatism.
                      Bleurgh

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                        Pragmatism doesn't mean the same to an Irish person, as it does to an English person.

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                          Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View Post
                          Pragmatism doesn't mean the same to an Irish person, as it does to an English person.
                          Especially when you've seen enough People Before Profit TDs in the Dáil.

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                            Well that’s a Trotskyist (quietly British unionist) front group, rather than socialists. They are pure pish but, it’s unfortunate they are also what passes for the left in Ireland as Labour collapse into D4 liberalism and sociopathic culchie empire builders (penrose, Kelly), and the shinners remain slippery fish.

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                              Now disassociated with the Coppinger/Higgins bullshit Trot faction, Clare Daly might be the only “left” TD worth a damn in the Dail, and she is a total disgrace on Syria.

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                                When do we get the Tommy Sheridan style downfall of pretty boy Boyd Barrett? I dearly wish he’d fuck the fuck off.

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                                  Front group for Rape apologists SWP who want a United ireland within the British Socialist Republic. Think they keep that quiet on the doorsteps of Dublin but.

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                                    Higgins Militant mob are the same, Daly was very silent on North until she left/was expelled.

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                                      Jones seems well meaning but naive to me, tin-eared on scotland. Mason though, he is pure poison

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                                        Well that’s a Trotskyist (quietly British unionist) front group
                                        PBP, British unionist? How do you reckon that?

                                        I mean, I've no time for the rape-apologist rump-SWP, obviously. And the Socialist Workers Network, while having taking a better position during the British party's implosion, are still allied to those vermin. But British unionist seems a weird thing to call them.

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                                          Apologies, it appears only the Coppinger/Murphy/Higgins trot front Solidarity/Socialist Party (Militant) want a “British Isles” socialist federation.

                                          https://www.google.com/amp/s/ansionn...ers-party/amp/
                                          Last edited by Lang Spoon; 11-09-2018, 19:20.

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                                            PBP are merely pro Brexit eejits.

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                                              Originally posted by Reginald Christ
                                              I've always liked Jones but he gets a bit of a kicking here. What does OTF think?
                                              I've known for a while that Jones is bad on Palestine but I hadn't realised how bad he was.

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                                                Jones has made some big mistakes but seems capable of shifting when necessary.

                                                Mason, on the other hand, answered a Q about zero hours/precariat at a Momentum conference in Durham and said ‘Trade Unions are dead, only a left govt. can legislate to protect exploited workers.’ I believe McDonalds workers on strike that day were speaking in a later session...

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                                                  Originally posted by Reginald Christ
                                                  I've always liked Jones but he gets a bit of a kicking here. What does OTF think?
                                                  Owen Jones is the perfect spokesperson for Corbynism because, like Corbyn himself, he talks a good game and then utterly fails to back it up in any meaningful sense.

                                                  His politics are not about organising anything, but rather being an organiser - a specialist in social change, all the while undermining or disciplining anything that exists outside his zone of influence or threatens his own status.

                                                  The Palestine example is a good one because he talks about apartheid and ethnic and cultural cleansing, then fails to support Palestinian resistance to occupation - including BDS which is both effective and non-violent.

                                                  Similarly, his "organising" largely extends to being involved with demos where he can appear on the platform. These frequently involve dubious and discredited organisations like the SWP. Jones has occasionally publicly taken a stance against the SWP but then totally abandoned that position at a point it becomes inconvenient.

                                                  Mason is the sort of social democrat who makes me think the KPD were onto something when they called the sozis "social fascists". He's an anti-immigration, pro-police, pro-imperialism "leftist" and imo is extremely dangerous.

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