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    Earlier today I saw a clip of Jess Philips belittling the idea of universal broadband bab as part of her leadership campaign bab. Apparently it was an "issue" that "didn't matter" to "real people" bab.

    Why are the representatives of the working classes bab so reticent about ideas that might bring about a slight increase in equality bab?

    Why is there a lack of imagination? Where are the jumps of faith that are so small they are virtually imperceptible? It can't be because these ideas are difficult to conceptualise because even a wretch like me can have a tittle think about "them big issues", and I don't even have a column in the Guardian.

    Take two areas "Broadband Communism" and rail travel, you don't need to be that radical to make those things fairer.

    "Who would pay for Broadband Communism?". Firstly why does a utility company NEED to make billions in profit? If we start to ask that sort of question some people might remember that utilities are things that people need to run a fully functioning home. Secondly if we deviate away from a market driven ideology towards state ownership of the communication infrastructure bab ORDINARY PEOPLE could pay for it, only PAY LESS THAN THEY DO NOW.

    For example people might only need to pay a relatively small flat fee to help with the upkeep of the network. I haven't down any maths behind this but we could raise 1.8 Billion quid a year by getting 30 million people pay 5 quid per month (Obviously the flat fee idea will need to make things "work"). This isn't particularly difficult to achieve as BT, through Openreach, still maintains the broadband network.

    30 odd years ago my Dad was still working for BT and he said said something like "Watch what'll happened with privatisation, loads of companies will start offering you telephone / electricity / water even though they won't own the pipelines or cables. How's that going to be more efficient? You'll still need people to look after the pipes and cables".

    30 odd years later I see Openreach vans everywhere because their drivers are maintaining the network at the same junction boxes that have been there for decades. I'm also paying over 70 quid a month for landline & broadband. My nana had a lifetime buspass because my Grandad worked for Crosvile,. My Dad worked for BT for 27 years yet all I get is an ever growing list of itemised services that add their own little magic to the total cost of each month's bill. Why can't we do better than this?

    As for rail travel, the government is already pumping billions into the rail network via franchises and Network Rail so it could revert back to state ownership relatively easily. If the profit motive is removed we could use two things to help fund the rail network; (1) Something akin to the TV license as a way of society helping those in need. (2) Fares based on the lowest possible universal basic rate based on the distance of the journey.

    I remember a cartoon from Geography textbooks that told us that the train is the most fuel / energy efficient method of transporting lots of people. I was always reminded of the cartoon when I helped to organise football coaches from Bangor to south Wales. Dues to their want Welsh mountains got in the way so the coaches and trains generally followed the same routes from north Wales to south Wales. We charged people 20 quid for a place on the coach whereas a train ticket would anything between 30 and 60 quid. Can't we do better than the present rail network?

    I suppose that these ideas might sound like pie in the sky utopianism but in my defence I should say that I chose not the sainted life of fighting for them working classes what needs the help. Please judge me not, for I did not tread upon the well-worn "NUS > Researching for an MP > Safe Seat" path to self-saintliness.
    Last edited by Kowalski; 06-04-2021, 18:52.

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      You’ve reminded me of that loathsome creature Emma Barnett

      https://twitter.com/davemacladd/status/1204349604969496576?s=21

      [in the meantime


      https://twitter.com/howupsetting/status/1379499971720937476?s=21

      as the same author observes

      https://twitter.com/howupsetting/status/1379425249926651905?s=21

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        a reminder that admitting this is what its all about

        https://twitter.com/JohnSimpsonNews/status/1379378740237598720?s=20

        remember Chilcot

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          like taking candy from a patriotic but warlike baby

          https://twitter.com/FreeNorthNow/status/1379733647180333056?s=20

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            Dang it Nef, I was going to post the excellent trolling work from the NIP but you beat me to it.

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              The funny thing is that the NIP one has over twice the number of likes...

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                Including a like from me now. F*** Starmer and his pathetic flag-waving crap.

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                  “we need to offer people what they want”

                  https://twitter.com/jmacdaid/status/1379770464474648577?s=21

                  “free broadband
                  higher wages for nurses
                  nationalise the railways
                  security of tenure
                  green new deal”

                  “Not like that!!”

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                    The International Monetary Fund now appears to be considerably to the left of the Labour Party

                    https://twitter.com/ft/status/1379766748757565441?s=21

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                      Reported in everyone's favourite left wing newspaper, the Financial Times. (And I'm not really joking)

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                        https://twitter.com/DanielKatz6/status/1379872981531435008?s=20

                        i guess the guardian needs its own thread, but it and starmer are more or less indistinguishable

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                          I dunno, they've managed to get this wonderful photograph to head up this article by Jon Trickett.

                          https://twitter.com/jon_trickett/status/1379833891444424714?s=20

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                            Originally posted by johnr View Post
                            I dunno, they've managed to get this wonderful photograph to head up this article by Jon Trickett.

                            https://twitter.com/jon_trickett/status/1379833891444424714?s=20
                            A reboot of Rita, Sue and Bob Too ..?

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                              Why would you want to show that you're tougher on crime than Priti fucking Patel?

                              Starmer decides to get in a hang and flog em auction with the Daily Express. They will never support you anyway, Keir.

                              https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1380095732083011584?s=20

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                                The only crime Priti Patel is tough on is the crime of being poor and not from the UK.

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                                  I've come to the conclusion - and forgive me using some technical language here - that Starmer is a useless piece of shit.

                                  You get this searing insight for free, you know.

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                                    I suppose to be fair even Priti patel hasn’t yet convened midnight courts to imprison teenagers fir 6 months fir stealing a bottle of water.
                                    but she’s only just begun

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                                      Why do Labour think that a rise in yobbery is due to police numbers being cut under austerity rather than all the other stuff being cut under austerity?

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                                          https://twitter.com/FreeNorthNow/status/1380159628739219463?s=20

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                                            These stats are rather extraordinary

                                            https://twitter.com/flying_rodent/status/1380196073566838787?s=21

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                                              https://twitter.com/liamyoung/status/1380119148051718145?s=21

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                                                Writers like Beckett pull their punches a bit when writing for The Guardian but the point is clear enough. https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-jeremy-corbyn

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                                                  Apropos of nothing...

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                                                    Originally posted by wingco View Post
                                                    Writers like Beckett pull their punches a bit when writing for The Guardian but the point is clear enough. https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-jeremy-corbyn
                                                    A quote from the above;

                                                    "Ainsley portrays today’s British working class as large and politically pivotal but also “disparate”, “atomised” and increasingly employed in low-paid, insecure, service-sector jobs – a class transformed “over the past 40 years” by deindustrialisation, the polarisation of incomes and the decline of trade unions."

                                                    If this written bwasy a Starmer advisor that's been in post for a year why hasn't this kind of thinking been informing the party's public interactions? Why are they talking up law and order rather than continually banging on about the effect of the market economy and deindustrialisation? Especially when the processes that brought us the market economy and deindustrialisation were started by the decisions of human beings. Still it's nice to see the peoples' party finally adopt the sort of analysis that an undergraduate from an ex-polytechnic could have made 2 decades ago.
                                                    Last edited by Kowalski; 09-04-2021, 13:09.

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