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    Yeah, the Tories are becoming like fucking Dr Who.

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      Originally posted by wingco View Post
      Yeah, the Tories are becoming like fucking Dr Who.
      except they cast a woman a lot sooner.

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        Starmer’s strategy was always Buggins’ Turn.

        Part of going after Corbyn was not necessarily about stopping him but making sure anyone who tried to follow him got stopped. RLB was sacked pour encourager les autres.
        Last edited by Snake Plissken; 11-01-2021, 10:36.

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          Now going after Chakrabarti too.

          imagine a Human Rights lawyer still caring about Human Rights

          https://twitter.com/clientjournoexp/status/1348650608228782081?s=21

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            Where's the Forde enquiry?

            (Having its terms of reference changed so nothing too embarrassing comes to light)

            https://twitter.com/jsternweiner/status/1348656095015952385?s=20

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              Not only did Keir lie, he’s really dumb...

              and I thought Dodds was smarter than this

              https://twitter.com/shirleymush/status/1349146766868934659?s=21

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                Any detail from that FT piece from behind the paywall?

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                  Shadow chancellor Anneliese Dodds will signal on Wednesday that the Labour party is backing away from the hard-left economic policies of former leader Jeremy Corbyn, seeking instead to fight the Conservatives on economic competence and protecting the UK’s recovery from the damage caused by the Covid-19 pandemic. In the annual Mais Lecture, she will cloak Labour’s strategy to become the UK’s next government in the latest thinking from international organisations such as the IMF, which recommends waiting until unemployment falls and the recovery is complete before thinking about the sustainability of public finances. As the first woman to deliver the flagship economics lecture in its 43-year history, Ms Dodds will mention “responsible” policies 23 times and will distance Labour from its 2019 general election programme by avoiding any reference to any of the ?83bn day-to-day annual public spending increases that formed the centrepiece of its manifesto. “We need a more resilient economy that can only be achieved through responsible economic, fiscal and monetary policy,” she will say.

                  Asked why her setpiece economic speech would not mention plans to increase current public spending financed by higher taxes — the centrepiece of the party’s programme under Mr Corbyn — Ms Dodds told the FT in a pre-speech interview that the party would examine detailed taxation and spending policies in the normal way over the coming years. “The speech is 45 minutes long and attempting to set out the relationship between monetary, fiscal and other forms of economic policy in the long term, so it doesn’t have the kitchen sink in there,” Ms Dodds said. It’s not acceptable that we’ve had so many NAO reports that have highlighted problems [in government waste] and yet we still see a recurrence in those issues time after time

                  Since taking charge of Labour last April, Keir Starmer has helped steer Britain’s opposition party back to a more stable footing following its heavy defeat at the 2019 general election. But he has been accused more recently of being opportunistic during the Covid-19 crisis. The speech by Ms Dodds, and one by the leader himself on Monday, are part of a plan to start setting out the opposition’s positions on the most important aspects of government. With distance being put between Sir Keir’s economic strategy and his predecessor’s, the new leadership want to fight the Conservatives on the overall strategy of economic policy rather than tax and spend. In recent months, first the IMF and more recently the OECD have advised advanced economies such as the UK to refrain from taking action to reduce the public deficit until the recovery from the Covid-19 crisis is close to being complete and central banks again have to raise interest rates from zero to prevent inflation from rising. Laurence Boone, the OECD’s chief economist, this month said countries should not start “tightening” fiscal policy by raising taxes or cutting public spending “in the one to two years following the trough of GDP”. This message now lies at the heart of Labour’s new economic strategy. In the months ahead, that would mean continuing to spend more than the Tories, Ms Dodds said, not insisting on the 5 per cent rise in council taxes that the government is expecting in April and not cutting the rate of universal credit. With fiscal policy taking more of the strain in helping the economy to recover quickly from the Covid-19 pandemic, she wants monetary policy to play a lesser role in the future.

                  In her speech, Ms Dodds will argue that if monetary policy did all the work, as it did during the austerity decade after 2010, then it would “exacerbate inequality and concentrate economic gains in the hands of those who were already asset-rich, at the expense of those who rely on income from their labour”. This stance implies borrowing and debt would be higher under Labour and would allow the Conservatives to say that the party is soft on tackling weaker public finances.

                  But Ms Dodds told the FT that the sustainability of the public finances should not be measured on an annual or five-year basis, but over a considerably longer period. Calling for a “responsible fiscal framework” based on “pragmatism, not dogmatism”, she will commit Labour to a rolling target of balancing the government’s current budget in the future, which would allow increased capital spending. There would also be an exception to the rule for times of crisis, which would allow for a delay in budgetary consolidation while the Covid-19 recovery was continuing, but Labour is planning two defences against inevitable Tory jibes about fiscal recklessness. The first is an idea from the Institute for Fiscal Studies that would set a “fiscal anchor”, stopping a free-for-all in public spending increases. The second is that Labour is determined to attack what it regards as Conservative waste in public spending during the crisis and put in place safeguards to prevent a repeat under a Labour government. It plans to give the National Audit Office a mandate to report to parliament each year on the effectiveness of government spending with ministers required to respond at each Budget. “It’s not acceptable that we’ve had so many NAO reports that have highlighted problems [in government waste] and yet we still see a recurrence in those issues time after time,” Ms Dodds said. “We need to have much more political accountability around those processes for the future.”

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                    he has been accused more recently of being opportunistic during the Covid-19 crisis
                    Blimey. And there's me thinking the exact opposite

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                      https://twitter.com/davies_will/status/1349275207920463873?s=21

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                        It's a cargo cult.

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                          Instead of mealy-mouthed bland platitudes about "waste" in public spending, indistinguishable from a Tory message and hence just an exercise in competitive advertising for different soap brands, Labour should be protesting at every sodding opportunity about the specific nature of the waste currently happening - the utterly rampant dishing out of billions of public money in corrupt contracts with the Tories' friends and donors. Step up and do your job of opposition, for crying out loud. It has never been more needed, nor less done.

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                            Excellent points EEG.

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                              Labour should be protesting at every sodding opportunity about the specific nature of the waste currently happening - the utterly rampant dishing out of billions of public money in corrupt contracts with the Tories' friends and donors
                              Indeed. And that means confronting the political choices and ideology behind privatisation and cronyism, and repudiating them.

                              Which is why Sensible Labour won't do it.

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                                Getting more like Boris Johnson every day

                                https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1349442484993220611?s=20

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                                  I've kind of given up on Labour right now. Not in the sense that I won't vote for them (I still will, despite it all), but because they're bloody useless.

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                                    The thing with Animal Farm was that Napoleon acquired power before he turned into Mr Jones.

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                                      I don't mind him having a column in the Telegraph per se; depends what he says in it.

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                                        Why the hell would a labour leader have a column in the Telegraph?

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                                          To help rebuild the Red Wall, silly.

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                                            Yeah copies of the Telegraph fly off the shelves in Burnley

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                                              Perhaps it's me but there are so many open goals on offer, and I mean the sort of open goal that allows you to spend five minutes dribbling the ball from the halfway line at shuffling pace, another five minutes to choose the exact blade of grass on the goal line where you'd like to place the ball with the sole of your foot, then another five minutes wondering which part of your body you'll use to knock the ball over the line.

                                              Labour doesn't need to move towards the Tories to manufacture a demand for their message, the big political events of the last decade naturally point their way. We've suffered the needless choice of austerity, the calling of a needless referendum for political expediency, the aftermath of the needless referendum, the casual cruelty of welfare reform, the championing of the GIG economy as a world for brave explorers and the response to Covid.

                                              The day to day stuff could also point their way as well. Think of the quality of ministerial appointments, the legion of "ordinary", never mind scandalous, day to day mistakes and the sheer hypocritical opportunism of appealing to "the red wall" over the last 18 months.

                                              The larger argument also points towards a path away from the Tories. As a rather gross simplification we swapped the 35 odd years of the Keynesian experiment with aspirations of full employment and a social safety net for 41 years of Pinochet's favourite way to fight inflation. Yet it turns out prices have still risen in our system, it's "natural" apparently, another natural outcome of our system is a person reapplying for their own job, only with reduced benefits.

                                              Again you don't have to move towards the Tories to say that perhaps, maybe, possibly, our present social experiment might be, possibly, could be, a busted flush that doesn't really help most people within a society. We could, possibly, might even go so far as trying things in a different way, especially as there are quite a few well-known economists that say another way might be possible.

                                              People are crying out for a fairer, more utilitarian, system and not just in the UK. At an Erasmus meeting a couple of years ago I was in a small group with a Slovenian and an Italian, the Slovenian said "We tried Communism, and we've tried market capitalism, perhaps there's a better , more fairer way in between them,?", the Italian nodded along in agreement.

                                              You can get Gremio shirts for 25 quid now so anything may be possible.
                                              Last edited by Kowalski; 13-01-2021, 22:28.

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                                                Originally posted by Kowalski View Post
                                                People are crying out for a fairer, more utilitarian, system and not just in the UK
                                                Agreed. But Dan Hodges, David Aaronovitch and Jonathan Freedland would be furious, so you're just not having it I'm afraid.

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                                                  Originally posted by Snake Plissken View Post

                                                  Agreed. But Dan Hodges, David Aaronovitch and Jonathan Freedland would be furious, so you're just not having it I'm afraid.
                                                  In my moment of euphoric clarity I totally forgot about the gatekeepers for human possibility, consequently I humbly withdraw my ideas forthwith.

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                                                    Originally posted by Nefertiti2 View Post

                                                    The text of the FT piece I asked about
                                                    Thanks nef. It's awful, isn't it? With pretty much no detail, yet even so you can tell how terrible they plan Labour's policy to be.

                                                    And then the fucking Daily Telegraph. What a fucking piece of shit he is. Absolute filth.
                                                    Last edited by TonTon; 14-01-2021, 08:12.

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