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    Would you really dump Corbyn to keep Margaret Hodge?

    I would guess Corbyn and his policies delivered a lot more votes to labour than Margaret hodge ever did

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      Starmer has also reneged on Climate Change commitments I think

      https://twitter.com/ivelostlewis/status/1329366541238878208?s=20

      Still will be able to kill all the Climate refugees with our new laser guns- and we won't get tried for war crimes. So its win win

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        https://twitter.com/Lafargue/status/1329514553969766400?s=20

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          https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1329522421393743873?s=20

          even more ridiculousness by Starmer responding to the last thing any one said.

          I once had a boss like that.

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            So stupid

            https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1329558557403082754?s=20

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                https://twitter.com/Mc_Heckin_Duff/status/1329834507147620356?s=20

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                  https://twitter.com/AllyFogg/status/1330471066041544705?s=20

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                    https://twitter.com/Mc_Heckin_Duff/status/1330483919712612367?s=20

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                      I feel like I ought, in nef's enforced absence, to post something about today's NEC shenanigans. But I can't find a half-decent explainer from someone who isn't awful.

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                        Well it would appear that the hard left, having asked for more democracy in party elections, didn't much like the outcome of a, er, democratic election. How odd.

                        I've voted Labour since I was old enough, I was a fervent trade unionist and shop steward a few years ago, but the factionalism in the party has done me in. For a bunch of people who were fond of the phrase 'playing the long game' while St Jeremy was in charge, they sure as hell don't seem intent on doing the same in order to get what they ultimately desire. They keep bleating about challenging Starmer or forming a breakaway party. Honestly, it's like they never left the 6th form.

                        I've joined the Labour Campaign For Electoral Reform and the Electoral Reform Society. This is the long game everyone from the centre right leftwards should be playing.

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                          Originally posted by Fearful Symmetry View Post
                          Well it would appear that the hard left, having asked for more democracy in party elections, didn't much like the outcome of a, er, democratic election. How odd.
                          Just so I'm clear - which democracy, in which election, and what were the outcomes?

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                            Actually - and no snark - I now realise that you were talking about the leadership election, I thought you meant the NEC one.

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                              I was talking about the NEC one.

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                                I don't think it's reasonable to insist that everything is ok with a particular manoeuvre simply because there was a vote involved at some point.

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                                  Originally posted by Fearful Symmetry View Post
                                  I was talking about the NEC one.
                                  Ah, OK. In that case, what do you mean about the left asking for more democracy in an election, and not liking the outcomes?

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                                    They were the ones who clamoured for democratising party processes and open selections. They get their way, lose a vote and walk out in protest.

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                                      But...they didn't get open selections (despite clamouring for it) and the NEC vote was switched to a process that the majority of the left didn't want?

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