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Originally posted by ad hoc View Post
Magic Granddad is about patronisingly abusing this large swathe of optimistic young people who were encouraged to become politically active because of what the Labour Party stood for. This kind of sneering bollocks is exactly why centrists come across as such wankers.
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Originally posted by jeanmid View Post
Yeah but Labour still lost that election and instead of treating it as a narrow defeat Corbyn his inncer circle and his outriders treated it as a glorious triumph and simply thought one more heave would do it. Then they stupidly voted for an election when there wasn;t the need for one and the result was a total disaster.
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Originally posted by ad hoc View Post
"Magic granddad" is not a problem because it is about Corbyn. If people want to have a pop at Corbyn that's up to them. Magic Granddad is about patronisingly abusing this large swathe of optimistic young people who were encouraged to become politically active because of what the Labour Party stood for. This kind of sneering bollocks is exactly why centrists come across as such wankers.
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Originally posted by johnr View Post
Did you read the article? It mentions exactly that, and as it's written by somebody who was on the 'inside' throughout, I think that it's quite insightful. What do you think?
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(To jeanmid) My takeaway from it was that he failed to have a coherent position on Brexit, and that was a major reason why people didn't vote Labour. It does explain a lot of the dropoff in his popularity from 17-19. What other factors do you think there were?
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Originally posted by Hot Pepsi View PostWhat do the shadow cabinet do, exactly? I picture them just kind of quietly lurking behind the members of the official cabinet and following them around Westminster. Occasionally offering passive-aggressive comments.
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Originally posted by johnr View Post(To jeanmid) My takeaway from it was that he failed to have a coherent position on Brexit, and that was a major reason why people didn't vote Labour. It does explain a lot of the dropoff in his popularity from 17-19. What other factors do you think there were?
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- The Hammers, until Mark Noble goes.(he's still there, sort of)
- Garibaldi, dipped in tea.
Originally posted by Lucy Waterman View Post
The big drop in Corbyn's popularity in the polls was after the Skripal response, and it never turned around.
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He asked whether May would send samples to Russia for analysis - that was the bit that didn't seem to play well.
“How has she responded to the Russian government’s request for a sample of the agent used in the Salisbury attack, to run its own tests?” was the quote. I don't cite it with an intent to relitigate it, it's all over and done with really.
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Foreign policy was framed by his opponents in a way that made him seem to be a throwback to 80s unilateralism and perceived pro-Soviet sympathies*, but also I think his being perceived as not trying hard enough to prevent Brexit was a time bomb from 2016 that only detonated in 2018-19, combined with the civil war in the party over alleged antisemitism. In addition, there was a belief that the LibDems were a viable alternative/tactical vote, which proved to be illusory.
*I'm not sure why this wasn't fatal to his career in 2017 given how much the tabloids invested in it.Last edited by Satchmo Distel; 07-04-2020, 05:31.
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Russia never came up on the doorstep once in my anecdotal experience of people saying why they didn't want to vote for him. Brexit did, as did "you'll bankrupt the country", as, a little, did antisemitism, but not sure it was a big enough issue, even if Corbyn's response wasn't that convincing.
Anyway, re "Magic Grandpa", I don't dislike it because it's an insult to Corbyn - he's big enough and ugly enough etc to take that on the chin - it's more its witlessness and what it reveals about the person throwing the insult, and, as others have said, its sneering disdain for Labour's younger supporters. If only women under 40 had voted in the 2019 election, there'd have been a Labour landslide. The fact that it's a favoured insult of the middle-aged white-male centrist music journalist 90s nostalgist massive is very telling.
Anyway, the shadow cabinet - I'm fairly relaxed about it. Good things are RLB staying on the frontbench in an important brief she'll be sound on, Lammy will be good at Justice and Jo Stevens is a very good fit at DCMS (knows her cricket too). Also good is the refusal to give posts to the media-luvvy gobshite foghorn right (Phillips, Streeting, Creasy et al). Less positive is the awful Steve Reed getting Local Government and Communities (bang goes the insourcing agenda?) and the equally awful Iain Murray getting Scotland, a move that should ensure he remains Labour's only Scottish MP for the foreseeable.
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The "magic grandpa" thing is pretty pathetic, agreed. And I'm no fan of Corbyn.
There's a difference between what changes people's minds and what people think changes their minds. Or at least, they aren't necessarily the same thing. Ideas and opinions and motivations are complicated things.
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