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    Originally posted by Janik View Post
    Some of those things, definitely.

    Yes, vaccination keeping serious cases low despite the disease remaining present in the community is the government strategy. It is not, of itself, an unreasonable strategy even if we are suspicious of the underlying motivations/dogma that makes it particularly attractive to this government. Doing otherwise, i.e. complete suppression, means more lockdowns. And as detailed on this thread over the last few pages lockdowns are not without their own negative health consequences; they may save COVID deaths but cause other ones. It becomes a balance of which is less bad (or, putting it rather starker, whose lives you choose to seriously risk... but you don’t have an option that risks nobodies). Very much a damned if you do scenario.
    I don't believe complete suppression necessarily means more lockdowns. It means a longer lockdown initially for sure. Our levels in July last year were the same as Australia's. We treated it as an excuse to open up, They clamped down. And look what happened in each country after that...

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      Also I honestly think that it would have saved money for the government to enforce proper quarantine hotels and offer to fund one quarantine per person per year. (Bit late now, I know.)

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        In a meeting today some medical colleagues expressed concerns about the Indian variant and said they thought any suggested dates for opening up are in jeopardy.

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          The 21.6 great liberation is busted imo...

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            They are unlikely to back away from the easing of next Monday now (too many businesses and individuals have invested too much time and money preparing for it), but are already backpedalling on 21st June cessation of all restrictions. It's the sort of media leak method of getting people used to a policy that we have seen countless times previously.

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              For reference, Tony here is a former Chief Medical Officer for Wales

              https://twitter.com/tonyjewell8/status/1393252788373753860?s=19

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                The USA has now officially exceeded 600,000 deaths from Covid-19.

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                  https://twitter.com/bmj_latest/status/1393096575577202693

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                    Apparently, 61 cases of the Indian variant have been detected here - no direct flights between the two countries, so presumably must have come from Britain.

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                      As a comparison to those 600,000 deaths, a quote from this website: https://www.militaryfactory.com/amer...20that%20total).
                      "In its first 100 years of existence, over 683,000 Americans lost their lives, with the Civil War accounting for 623,026 of that total (91.2%). Comparatively, in the next 100 years, a further 626,000 Americans died through two World Wars and several more regional conflicts (World War 2 representing 65% of that total)."

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                        Swedish intensive care has been working at full capacity for months on end, the intensive care staff have been completely worn down, and loads of scheduled care has been delayed.

                        Denmark and Norway have a huge spare capacity in intensive care and offered to take patients.

                        Sweden politely declined.

                        What a bunch of absolute arseholes are in charge of this country.

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                            https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1393337338466607107?s=19

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                              That multi-page "Briefing" is depressing AF

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                                SAGE concludes with "high confidence" that it is highly likely the Indian variant (B 1.617.2) is more transmissible than the Kent variant (B 1.117) and that it may be as 50 percent more transmissible)

                                https://twitter.com/drericding/status/1393381130263486464

                                These findings are what is driving all of the UK government's sudden concern

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                                  New cases of Covid-19 in Papua New Guinea have increased 250% in the last week. And that's believed to be a massive underestimate. There are only an estimated 5,000 health workers for the population of around 10 million, or one health worker for every 2,000 people: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-56926131.amp

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                                    https://twitter.com/elihxrris/status/1393188745352986630?s=19

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                                      Anyone know if there is a set day when the UK updates its green list (and red list etc) for other countries? And if so, when is it?

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                                        Never mind. Not until June I understand

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                                          Originally posted by ad hoc View Post
                                          Anyone know if there is a set day when the UK updates its green list (and red list etc) for other countries? And if so, when is it?
                                          Well, British Airways have just launched a media campaign advertising new routes and cheap flights to places like Wroclaw, Gdansk and Cluj from July 1st, so I'm guessing they've had a tip off.

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                                            I was reflecting on the official global mortality rates, headed by Hungary at just over 0.3%, which is pretty grim.

                                            Then I realised that the rate in my area is about the same, perhaps even a little higher.

                                            Which was a bit shocking.

                                            I wonder which global region has been hardest hit, according to the highly dubious official figures at least?

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                                              The big emphasis on Radio 5 Breakfast news this morning was about how empty and lovely the Algarve beaches are, ready and waiting for the first flights of British tourists scheduled for today.

                                              What could possibly go wrong?

                                              Also, how many times can pandemic-management advice rely on the phrase "people using their common sense"?

                                              Again, what could possibly go wrong?

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                                                The messaging is also back to 'everything will be fine and all restrictions will be lifted on the 21st of June' this morning....

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                                                  https://twitter.com/charlotterlynch/status/1394211291988992000?s=19

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                                                    news pre notice ramping up
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                                                    http://Www.itv.com/news/2021-05-17/c...1-close-to-nil

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