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    The official UK death toll of 86,015 is now higher than the population of Guildford.

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      We have now reached 2 million deaths worldwide from Covid-19.

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        Originally posted by Balderdasha View Post
        The reason there is the discrepancy between the Guardian figure of over 100,000. The 86,000+ is deaths within 28 days of a positive Covid-19 test. The 100,000+ is deaths where Covid-19 is mentioned on the death certificate (but may not be the only cause).
        Thats a bit of a fiddle isn't it? The proportion of people in ireland who die more than 28 days after their positive test is large.

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          https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1349765471789314052

          This would be more amusing if there weren't 4,000 cases today. Ringsend is more famous for its drugs than its burgers mind you.

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            This Province is looking at the legal ramifications of preventing visits from elsewhere in Canada.





            Province seeks legal opinion on whether it can limit visitors from the rest of Canada

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              Travel from South America, Panama, Portgual and Cape Verde to the UK banned to stop the Brazilian variant which might be more contagious.

              Also a guest on 5 Live Breakfast has just said the South African variant shows resistance to the vaccine. That threw the presenter a little bit.

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                Originally posted by Patrick Thistle View Post



                Travel from South America, Panama, Portgual and Cape Verde to the UK banned to stop the Brazilian variant which might be more contagious.

                Travel bans don't seem to work, do they?

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                  They are always too late. Which is a given with something that is contagious before symptoms show. By the time you discover something new has emerged, the genie is already out of the bottle. However there was very little travel going on between the UK and Brazil anyway as Brazil had put its own travel ban in place a couple of weeks ago in response to the UK’s own new variant.

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                    Originally posted by Patrick Thistle View Post
                    Travel from South America, Panama, Portgual and Cape Verde to the UK banned to stop the Brazilian variant which might be more contagious.

                    Also a guest on 5 Live Breakfast has just said the South African variant shows resistance to the vaccine. That threw the presenter a little bit.
                    Aw fuck. I thought the Pfizer one worked on it.

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                      https://www.irishexaminer.com/world/arid-40207310.html


                      goddam the HSE. The bit about the drop down menus is what does it for me, they've had almost a fuckin year to refine the IT systems. So a tracer recording school, shop, pub, whatever as a possible source, official record is the fantastic nebulous "community transmission".

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                        One of my wife staff, the counselor dedicated to their patients, has been seconded to help Covid wards staff dealing with the situation.

                        I won't go into details but PTSD sums up pretty much the prevailing mental state...

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                          My son's school wants to re-open for part-time on site learning on February 3rd. They have sent a survey round.
                          Firstly, how has San Mateo County been doing lately? Let's take a look - yesterday the 7-day average for new cases was higher than it's ever been, and there have been more deaths in the past 7 days than any other 7 day period. Yep, seems like the right time to re-open.
                          They sent around a survey asking us when we'd be willing to send our kids back to school, the options were in the purple (where we are now, everything completely fucked), in the red (still fucked) or never. Maybe this was based on the assumption that we'll never be doing better than the red, which is probably not unreasonable actually.

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                            1,280 deaths, down 45
                            55,671 cases down 12,292

                            UK figures for today.

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                              https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1350148243976384519

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                                Holy crap. Did they just not care? Is it active attempted sabotage? Or did they believe that new doses would magically appear?

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                                  Do these new UK rules actually mean anything in reality or are they just for show?

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                                    54 deaths reported in Wales today. There have been 174 deaths reported in 3 days.

                                    Johnson has announced all travel routes into the UK will be closed down on Monday to try and stop the Brazilian strain.

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                                      https://schoolsweek.co.uk/dfe-says-m...resh-concerns/

                                      Mass testing to go ahead in schools despite reports that the Regulator hasn't approved it. Wtf?

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                                        Originally posted by San Bernardhinault View Post
                                        Holy crap. Did they just not care? Is it active attempted sabotage? Or did they believe that new doses would magically appear?
                                        Likely all three, but "don't care" has been the fundamental "principle"

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                                          "Don't care" was my working hypothesis, but it begs the question of why they said anything at all.

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                                            To deflect criticism, which is one the other organising principles

                                            Self-enrichment is a third
                                            Last edited by ursus arctos; 15-01-2021, 20:22.

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                                              That makes sense. Deflect criticism now and hope somebody else is in the firing line when the chickens come home to roost (to mix my metaphors).

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                                                Yes, there is another principle that has come to the fore since November, which is to actively set lethal booby traps for the new administration. It is the corollary of the earlier policy of taking the opposite side from the Obama Administration on every possible question.

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                                                  And today Sweden has joined the 0.1% of the population dead from Covid club.

                                                  I wonder if Anders Tegnell and Johan Giesecke still think the IFR is less than 0.1%

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                                                    Originally posted by Patrick Thistle View Post

                                                    Johnson has announced all travel routes into the UK will be closed down on Monday to try and stop the Brazilian strain.
                                                    This would be very sensible, and an approach that should have been taken in the first instance, given the advantage of being an island nation.

                                                    However I my understanding is that travel is only banned from South America and Portugal.

                                                    Other arrivals will have to “show proof of a negative test prior to departure and quarantine for 10 days upon arrival”, yet how this is to be policed is not clear to me.

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