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    Though South America seems to be adding more new cases daily at the moment. 37,855 new cases there yesterday.

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      Europe has still had the most deaths, 172,500+.

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        interview with German virologist Christian Drosten

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          We done this?

          https://twitter.com/TammRehgallag/status/1266097858110988290?s=19

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            DER SPIEGEL: Many people have the feeling that nothing actually happened.

            Drosten: Yes, prevention is a bit of a paradox: Nothing happened because we managed to prevent it from happening.

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              Originally posted by San Bernardhinault View Post

              Unfortunate name. Interesting story. And a very interesting strategy, although probably unworkable in western Europe and the US because it requires the public to actually trust the government's advice and act on it.
              Is this more an issue with the public, or with the respective governments (UK and US) not actually providing a sensible plan?

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                https://twitter.com/JeremyFarrar/status/1266470822564200456

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                  Mexico has more cases than China, and more than twice as many deaths.

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                    Central African Republic has more than 800 cases, though has only recorded one death so far.

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                      This is a particularly powerful article from an NHS palliative care doctor.
                      The following was especially salient, I thought.

                      The language of war has been rife during the pandemic but never more so than when the prime minister was rushed to intensive care. Since then, battle tropes have dominated the national conversation. Cabinet members assured us Boris Johnson would beat the disease because he’s a fighter, as though survival is somehow a test of character, a matter primarily of valour. The reality, of course, is more banal. People do not die from this illness – or from any other – because they lack grit. Nor do they live by sheer pugnaciousness.

                      I look down at the bedsheets, stained with sweat, and the coil of limbs squirming in fear. It could not be plainer to anyone here that Winston is no participant in a battle. He is, instead, merely the battlefield. His body, worn out to begin with, is being methodically disposed of by a virus so primitive it scarcely qualifies as life. Character has precisely nothing to do with it. It never does in the real world of the hospital where the good, the bad, the brave and the timid all kneel alike before cancers and microbes.

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                        Daily new cases worldwide reached 125,511 yesterday. Based purely on that data, we're likely to see a big spike in deaths in 2-3 weeks time.

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                          South America has more than 800,000 cases and 38,000+ deaths.

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                            Originally posted by Lurgee View Post

                            As anyone who played the old Paranoia RPG - or who speaks a bit of Yiddish - will tell you, the word is chutzpah. Classic definition is a man who murders both his parents then asks for clemency because he is an orphan.

                            The computer is your friend. Keep your lazer handy.
                            Paranoia was great. It contained my all time favourite instructions to give to the players. Vital mission information was relayed by a speaker. Which was broken, so the person running the game delivered it with the bottom end of a Styrofoam cup in their mouth.

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                              https://twitter.com/BillyLiar10/status/1266633640387194880

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                                But TTI is in place, fully working. More or less. Isn't it?

                                https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...itain-lockdown

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                                  This is a bittersweet little story: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...-fife-52844016

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                                    Originally posted by Nurse Duckett View Post

                                    But TTI is in place, fully working. More or less. Isn't it?

                                    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...itain-lockdown
                                    Is it?

                                    https://twitter.com/libdemdaisy/status/1265946506521047040

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                                      There are still too many new cases a day for TTIS to be fully operational anyway. There just aren't the numbers required to track each of those new daily cases. Which is why it's so important to keep a lockdown in place until that number drops significantly, and then we can truly be said to be capable of tracking each one.

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                                        On the upside, it is astonishing how swiftly the Spanish daily deaths have declined to virtually zero.

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                                          Spain had a far more restrictive lockdown than the UK has ever attempted. Children were not allowed outside for 42 days. Adults were only allowed out for essential groceries and medicine. None of this exercising in the park lark. There was a curfew on businesses between 5pm and 8am. Face masks have been mandatory on public transport since May 4th.

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                                            Originally posted by Nurse Duckett View Post

                                            But TTI is in place, fully working. More or less. Isn't it?

                                            https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...itain-lockdown
                                            "Or, is it?" part two:

                                            https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...itain-lockdown

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                                              Given that is the same link as Nurse Duckett posted, I suspect you are her/him share the same viewpoint on the state of track and trace.

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                                                Interestingly, the Irish contact app will undergo field testing next week before its general launch, but given many counties have now gone 7-10 days without new cases, it may well be a case of closing the stable door after the horse has bolted.

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                                                  Isn't that right, though. Also known all along. And true for the places that contact tracing has worked. If you have an app, take-up won't be great, and it'll just do a small amount of the work. Almost all the work will be done by old-school contact tracers, the way it's been done for decades, where the human contact is the thing that's most persuasive to people that they should isolate. A ping on your phone is much less effective.

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                                                    Originally posted by Etienne View Post
                                                    Given that is the same link as Nurse Duckett posted, I suspect you are her/him share the same viewpoint on the state of track and trace.
                                                    Heh, I didn't notice the link. Sorry, I'm an idiot!

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