Poll - Next Labour Party Leader

[Lucy Waterman]

Yes, they do.

They also need twenty MPs backing them, and nominations from 5% of constituency parties (33?) or affiliates representing 5% of the membership. The latter bar is quite high, and could conceivably be gamed by Momentum to ensure a coronation.

[Nocturnal Submission]

Ah, OK. Ta.

Anyone putting their hard-earned on Miliband would have to assume that he'd get back into Parliament via a by-election or a peerage before the leadership election is held which, frankly, is a bit of a stretch.

[Lucy Waterman]

Well, I'm toing and froing on the rule book which is predictably ambiguously written. CLPs are only allowed to nominate MPs for the job, but there is no such stipulation on who the PLP or affiliates can nominate.

So in theory, 20 MPs and a couple of trade unions could nominate David Miliband. In practice I think the NEC would interpret the rules to block any candidate outside the PLP.

[ursus arctos]

We need to look at Hungary the USA, India and Brazil to see the direction of travel

I would add Poland to this list.

Trump's administration is almost certainly the "best" model for the clientelism to come, but Law and Justice's hostile takeover of civic institutions (the courts, media, museums and other cultural institutions, professional associations, etc.) is without question one way in which the vague threats of page 48 of the manifesto could manifest.

[Lucy Waterman]

OK, in the 2013 Rule Book it seems pretty clear that the stipulation about candidates being PLP members applied to all nominators. Changes to the text in subsequent years have made this more ambiguous, intentionally or otherwise (almost certainly otherwise).

[Nefertiti2]

I would add Poland to this list.

Trump's administration is almost certainly the "best" model for the clientelism to come, but Law and Justice's hostile takeover of civic institutions (the courts, media, museums and other cultural institutions, professional associations, etc.) is without question one way in which the vague threats of page 48 of the manifesto could manifest.

yes Polans should be on the list. The Philippines too,

[Diable Rouge]

Any time Lewis has appeared on media, he has generally come across as a leftist capable of attracting mainstream support - that's not to call him "centrist", but someone who can appeal to both working-class and middle-class voters.

[Bored Of Education]

Have I missed anyone out, BTW? Looks like I'll be able to swap out Miliband, (I assume that someone will eventually vote for Starmer). David Lammy, perhaps?

I was quite surprised that Lammy wasn't there, to be honest.

[Nocturnal Submission]

I was quite surprised that Lammy wasn't there, to be honest.

Fine. I'll swap him in for DM.

[Nocturnal Submission]

Very surprised how poorly RLB is doing in the poll. I thought that as the leadership's preferred candidate that she'd romp home, given the esteem in which I believed Corbyn and McDonnell were held by many on OTF.

[Lucy Waterman]

There's a point worth considering with RLB and Rayner, which is that historically, leaders whose main selling point is continuity with what came before have often disappointed their initial supporters. You never really know what you're going to get until they're in - think about the convulsions in the Tory Party after Major failed to perpetuate Thatcherism.

[ooh aah]

I like her. (RLB that is). I voted for Lewis for the reason DR mentioned above, and the fact he's not damaged by the association with this or 2015. I'd like to see her in the shadow cabinet though, perhaps as shadow chancellor

[Hot Pepsi]

yes Polans should be on the list. The Philippines too,

Jesus.

Speaking of Him, I haven’t noticed the Tories saying much about religion except making up charges of anti-semitism and the not too
subtle islamophobia. Is “establishment of Worldwide Christendom” no longer part of the official Tory platform? IIRC, it once was.

Just as well. Invoking Christianity to defend what they’re doing is straight up blasphemy. Still, it would be nice for the COE to stand up for the poor. If they can’t at least do that, they’re not good for anything.

[Bored Of Education]

I haven't noticed the Tories being overtly evoking of Christianity for a while. Indeed, I can't think that it has been that overt in my lifetime. Thatcher made some references to Francis Of Assisi but I am not sure that even she was that publicly theist. Blair is the only one really that has been that I can think of.

[MsD]

Is Jess Phillips a lurker here or something?

[ursus arctos]

Recent polls evidence a "quiet centrist" faction here that is not otherwise visible

[Snake Plissken]

Looks like entryism is back in favour again.

https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/1206155217353490433

[MsD]

I've just seen the Young Socialists / Fabians try to smear RLB and others as "not tackling the institutional anti-semitism". So it begins.

[ursus arctos]

Or never ends, as the case may be

[Satchmo Distel]

I don't think it can ever end so long as the definition of antisemitism used by centrists encompasses even the mildest criticisms of Israel.

[Flynnie]

Looks like entryism is back in favour again.

https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/1206155217353490433

There’s not enough charity public affairs officers in the country to make that happen.

[ursus arctos]

Bad faith arguments are only abandoned when they are broadly exposed or otherwise cease to work

[Satchmo Distel]

Especially given that such arguments just got the Tories their majority.

[anton pulisov]

I'd settle for anybody who has the correct answers stored in their head for the traditional right wing talking points.

Talking point: "Why are you saying that people who work hard don't deserve to be rich?"

Correct answer: "I am disgusted that you would suggest that nurses and teachers don't work hard enough, because they are certainly not wealthy"

Talking point: "People like Warren Buffet and Bill Gates are important for society"

Correct answer: "Funny that your should mention Warren Buffet, because he happens to agree with progressive taxation, you fucking moron"

Watch Keir Starmer fail here: https://youtu.be/VW9VS47cjrw

If there's one thing I know from watching years of this shite, it's have your one liners ready, ffs. Sturgeon is good at it.

I don't know who I hate more, Piers Morgan or his sidekick.

[pebblethefish]

I've voted Raynor. I have no idea on her policies, whether she's a leftie or a rightie, but in all the depressing crap in the run up to the election, she caught my eye as being very good in an interview - she actually bothered to listen to the question and answered it, rather than just blethering on with what she wanted to say regardless of what question was actually asked.