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    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ish-government

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      I have no idea what the requisite standard is in Scottish law, but that would be a very difficult case to win over here, especially given that none of the verdicts were unanimous.

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        Thanks, again. TBH, I'm really still none the wiser as to what separates the two factions unless it's that one side is a bit more cautious in its pursuit of Scottish independence than the other.

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          I think that's it, as well as the normal personality clashes you get in any long term grouping.

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            It strikes me as classic personality/clientilist factional politics of the kind one sees in Japan's LDP

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              Originally posted by pebblethefish View Post
              Doesn't that sound a bit... Brexity?
              Wales is Brexity.

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                Originally posted by Gangster Octopus View Post
                Wales is Brexity.
                However, Plaid don't play to that gallery. It seems such an obvious thing. Use the same slogans. "After Snowdonia Saturday it's time for Wales to take back control" etc
                Last edited by Patrick Thistle; 25-03-2020, 07:45.

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                  Originally posted by Lang Spoon View Post
                  Define viable Paul, especially as Brexit destroys the U.K. balance sheet. Anyway, this isn't the time for Kevin Hague style arguments.
                  Never mind that shite. Being part of the Union means Dominic Cummings can have a good go at killing your mam while trying to prove an ideological point. This is surely the thing that can't be forgiven or condoned.

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                    Originally posted by ursus arctos View Post
                    It strikes me as classic personality/clientilist factional politics of the kind one sees in Japan's LDP
                    It's also a division on gender self id. Generally the Cherry/Salmond faction is more amenable to Trumpist/Wings over Scotland populism, puts independence above all else (at least until Covid)

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                      Originally posted by pebblethefish View Post

                      Doesn't that sound a bit... Brexity?
                      There's a material difference between Welsh people worried about English holiday home owners turning rural communities into holiday-let ghost towns then turning up en masse to overwhelm massively overstretched public services during a pandemic and the anti migrant sentiment that drove brexit imo

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                        Originally posted by Bizarre Löw Triangle View Post

                        There's a material difference between Welsh people worried about English holiday home owners turning rural communities into holiday-let ghost towns then turning up en masse to overwhelm massively overstretched public services during a pandemic and the anti migrant sentiment that drove brexit imo
                        Just a tad.

                        Llandovery has been suffering from bikers during this crisis, it's just fucking ridiculous.

                        Bikers congregating in a rural town confronted by angry residents

                        https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...wsApp_AppShare
                        Last edited by Antepli Ejderha; 26-03-2020, 15:46. Reason: Link added

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                          I joined Yes Cymru on the weekend. Mentioned it on Twitter and got one response of "the world needs less borders, not more". I resisted the urge to just reply with "I think you mean fewer" and pointed out that an independent Wales can be an open Wales. If we stay stuck under Westminster then we are going to see a whole load of people kicked out and will be prevented from employing people we need like nurses and care home workers.

                          I also had someone ask if I'd rather a government made ballsups in Cardiff than in Westminster. To which the honest answer is yes.

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                            Originally posted by Patrick Thistle View Post
                            I joined Yes Cymru on the weekend. Mentioned it on Twitter and got one response of "the world needs less borders, not more". I resisted the urge to just reply with "I think you mean fewer" and pointed out that an independent Wales can be an open Wales. If we stay stuck under Westminster then we are going to see a whole load of people kicked out and will be prevented from employing people we need like nurses and care home workers.

                            I also had someone ask if I'd rather a government made ballsups in Cardiff than in Westminster. To which the honest answer is yes.
                            I'm with you on this (though the less/fewer difference is a losing battle for us grammatical dinosaurs, I fear).

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                              It's not losing, it's lost.

                              Lang Spoon points out a significant issue between the wings - Cherry and her ilk are nasty anti-trans bigots.

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                                Originally posted by Patrick Thistle View Post
                                I joined Yes Cymru on the weekend. Mentioned it on Twitter and got one response of "the world needs less borders, not more". I resisted the urge to just reply with "I think you mean fewer" and pointed out that an independent Wales can be an open Wales. If we stay stuck under Westminster then we are going to see a whole load of people kicked out and will be prevented from employing people we need like nurses and care home workers.

                                I also had someone ask if I'd rather a government made ballsups in Cardiff than in Westminster. To which the honest answer is yes.
                                Why not Plaid Cymru?

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                                  Presumably Yes Cymru has a broader political, cultural and social base to its membership - i.e you could have Welsh Labour members who would still be pro-independence.

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                                    Yes Cymru is a movement rather than a party. I like Plaid Cymru and I think their policies are generally very sound. I have been tempted to join them especially after a mate of mine joined them. I just fear they don't have the ability to appeal to the urban areas and win votes in the parts of Wales where people outnumber sheep.

                                    As DR points out there are quite a few Labour members who support independence, although Mark Drakeford is on the record as saying he see nationalism as incompatible with socialism. The Maesteg Yes Cumru twitter account said that was news to the Labour councillors who run the local Yes Cymru group.

                                    I honestly don't believe socialism has a future in Wales unless we are independent. Labour have lost their perennial Northern seats in the last election and we are in the disappointing situation of Wales partly responsible for returning Boris with a large majority.

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                                      https://twitter.com/PARLYapp/status/1262483880596123648

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                                        Originally posted by Patrick Thistle View Post
                                        Yes Cymru is a movement rather than a party. I like Plaid Cymru and I think their policies are generally very sound. I have been tempted to join them especially after a mate of mine joined them. I just fear they don't have the ability to appeal to the urban areas and win votes in the parts of Wales where people outnumber sheep.

                                        As DR points out there are quite a few Labour members who support independence, although Mark Drakeford is on the record as saying he see nationalism as incompatible with socialism. The Maesteg Yes Cumru twitter account said that was news to the Labour councillors who run the local Yes Cymru group.

                                        I honestly don't believe socialism has a future in Wales unless we are independent. Labour have lost their perennial Northern seats in the last election and we are in the disappointing situation of Wales partly responsible for returning Boris with a large majority.
                                        Seem to be benefiting more from the whole Cummings affair than they ever did from Brexit.

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                                          Let's see if the outrage lasts.

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                                            Over 500 people have joined Yes Cymru in the last 5 days, apparently.

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                                              Excellent.

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                                                The Dobson Report, which hasn't been properly published yet, is going to outline how Westminster can take more control in the devolved nations. Powers are going to get reeled back in to the centre. As is the wont of fascists.

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                                                  Yet they are also going to put caps on English students studying in Wales Scotland and Northern Ireland

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                                                    There's been some discussion on the legality of that.

                                                    This all goes back to the pettiness of Johnson et al who are repeatedly being shown up by the other governments. They are attacking the institutions in the other countries.

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