The Dis-United Kingdom Thread - (Indyref 2, United Ireland poll, Welsh independence)

[Walt Flanagans Dog]

Where is a place that is inaccessible for all in the North, Carlisle perhaps?, that's your capital.

This is why the National Library of Wales is in Aberystwyth, the North and South couldn't agree so we'll put it somewhere inconvenient for all.

No chance, we're not having all that fuss round these parts. Anyway Carlisle is far too accessible by motorway, rail and (sporadically) air. Cockermouth can have the honour. Or Barnard Castle maybe.

[Diable Rouge]

Blame Strongbow for that one.

[DCI Harry Batt]

No chance, we're not having all that fuss round these parts. Anyway Carlisle is far too accessible by motorway, rail and (sporadically) air. Cockermouth can have the honour. Or Barnard Castle maybe.

Barrow? Is that far enough north? It's the furthest football club from a motorway, or something.

[Toby Gymshorts]

Barrow is in the south of the county. So south, in fact, that they have a Lancashire postcode.

EDIT: Ah, hang on, I missed your point. Fuck it, give it to Maryport. Once people go there once they will have little desire to do so again.

[pebblethefish]

I quite like that map. For a start, Londoners would have to start thinking of themselves of Northerners. And Norwich v Ipswich would be an international derby match. One small problem - we get Portsmouth. Does anyone from one of the other regions have a town that they'd be willing to swap?

[DCI Harry Batt]

Oi! Stop dissing my home town.

[Lang Spoon]

It would be funny to have the rump English minority in east Cymru demanding bilingual road signs etc.

[Lang Spoon]

Right, but talking about a small rump England and three other British nations, why would Dublin be a part of it?

cos everyone invaded Ireland back then, it was the style at the time. Even Scotland had a go with Edward Bruce.

[Diable Rouge]

cos everyone invaded Ireland back then, it was the style at the time. Even Scotland had a go with Edward Bruce.

TBF, the Gaelic Irish invited him in, to be their High King.

[Walt Flanagans Dog]

Barrow? Is that far enough north? It's the furthest football club from a motorway, or something.

No, it's further south than Scarborough, I found out from the Covid thread. It did spring to mind as an inaccessible place but to be fair it does have a railway station, a sea port and a small airport.

[Walt Flanagans Dog]

Barrow is in the south of the county. So south, in fact, that they have a Lancashire postcode.

EDIT: Ah, hang on, I missed your point. Fuck it, give it to Maryport. Once people go there once they will have little desire to do so again.

I have spent a bit too much time lately reading long distance walking blogs, and found one which set out in great detail what is wrong with the route of the Cumbria Way. The author then set out, over three or four lengthy instalments, how he would improve it - by changing where it started, where it finished, and approximately 80% of the route. He proclaimed that the hypothetical new route needed a "pretty" place to finish in and then in a stunning twist identified Maryport as a prime candidate, while admitting he had never actually been there.

[Toby Gymshorts]

Yowzer.

[Diable Rouge]

The Republic of Wales will be televised:

https://twitter.com/draiggoch99/status/1318937795617083393

[Patrick Thistle]

Damn you Diable Rouge I was just going to post that. First use of "Republic of Wales" in the MSM to my knowledge.

[Diable Rouge]

Toby Young mounts a charm offensive for the Union.

[Diable Rouge]

And Spearmint Rhino reacts:

https://twitter.com/simon_price01/status/1319237695219093504

[Mr Beast]

"Turn me into an English nationalist.."

Yeah, right you cunt.

[Lang Spoon]

C'mon Covid for fuck sake get him.

[Patrick Thistle]

I've only read excerpts of that article but anything that labels an entire nation of people as scavenging benefit thieves isn't making a good case for the union. But we are getting used to these gaslighting attempts, telling Wales that it's useless and pathetic and a drain on resources. But then when people say 'Well let us go then' there's apoplectic fury that we would dare - dare even! - to think of leaving.

It's crass to compare this to abusive control in domestic situations, but it's almost exactly the same template. The abuser tells the abused they are dirt, nothing without them, and makes all kinds of veiled threats. And if their bluff ever gets called it gets violent.

Inflammatory borderline racist articles like this aren't going to preserve the union. I don't know how seriously to take Spearmint Rhino's tweet, but there are people who will read those comments and it will push them further towards being indy-minded. Yes Cymru were looking for their 3000th member at the start of lockdown. Now they have 7,500. There's growth in this movement and even if those members are only giving a couple of quid a month, there is a fund building up to sustain an organised push. Every Spectator article like this will add a few more members to the cause.

[Lang Spoon]

Most of England is poorer than Scotland in terms of revenue/expenditure. The problem is the Great Wen, a lopsided economy where everything is concentrated in the South East, crumbs for the rest. At least Scotland and perhaps Wales have a chance to break from this, and who knows, the way they've treated Burnham and the rest might start to break the whole rotten edifice of England too.

[Patrick Thistle]

Hahaha

https://twitter.com/ifanmj/status/1319226045007015936?s=19

[ooh aah]

Much applause for The Ieuan Curtain.

[Diable Rouge]

A parody, but an amusing one:

https://twitter.com/FreeNorthNow/status/1319014165059674112

[beak]

I mean, I'm not seeing much to disagree with there.

[DCI Harry Batt]

The Great Wen is a disparaging nickname for London. The term was coined in the 1820s by William Cobbett, the radical pamphleteer and champion of rural England. Cobbett saw the rapidly growing city as a pathological swelling on the face of the nation. (A "wen" is a sebaceous cyst.) The term is quoted in his 1830 work Rural Rides: "But, what is to be the fate of the great wen of all? The monster, called, by the silly coxcombs of the press, 'the metropolis of the empire?'"