The Dis-United Kingdom Thread - (Indyref 2, United Ireland poll, Welsh independence)

[Diable Rouge]

Montenegro being a relatively recent example.

[Patrick Thistle]

Well I was thinking Brexit but sure, yeah, Montenegro

[Lang Spoon]

https://twitter.com/JennyGilruth/status/1315211784551387143

and this kind of shite in the Internal Market Bill is likely to push the numbers higher than 58%. English lawyers will also be able to practise in Scotland, in a DIFFERENT FUCKING LEGAL SYSTEM, without retraining. This isn't Unionism, it's fucking Brit Nationalism gone rampant, England as U.K.

Old school Unionists were Scots Nats in a different guise, this lot of Scotch Tories are lickspittle cunts driven mad by Sturgistan Hegemony.

[Lang Spoon]

Also, how the fuck can untrained fuckers be allowed to teach in English schools? Was this Blairite madness or that fish cunt Gove?

[Lang Spoon]

https://twitter.com/ProfJMitchell/status/1316344884979281920

before he became a dog whistling Rangers Minded Tory MSP, Adam Tomkins was a Republican far left (for Scotland) Nat that hung aboot with that lying cunt Tommy Sheridan. The allegiances change, but the grift is constant.

[Diable Rouge]

An old friend of OTF writes:

https://twitter.com/tomhfh/status/1316359147479347202

[Lang Spoon]

What?

[Lang Spoon]

Whoever that Harwood cunt is he looks like he hasn't been punched enough to get the smugness out.

[Diable Rouge]

Fairly sure we've discussed him a few times here before over his Guido Fawkes connection.

[DCI Harry Batt]

Balls to "the union" and anyone who talks about "the union", tbh.

Labour's awfulness is part of the reason for support for independence. That's no credit to Labour, obvs, who are shitty Brit Nats who deserve the arse-whoopings they've had and the ones to come. And Harwood and his serial drunk-driver boss Paul Staines are arseholes.

Fantastic poll numbers. Truly excellent.

[The Red Max]

There's no doubt that the sands have been shifting, but it's largely due to the 'Boris Effect' and also the perception (rightly or wrongly) of the Scottish Governments handling of Covid.

But once the economic elements are reintroduced into the argument you'll see that lead shrink steadily. Unless of course Brexit is the anticipated shit-show, in which case the economic arguments for the Union will carry much less weight.
That, and we're just a bunch of big 'fearties' up here, so when push comes to shove, we'll bottle it.

[Lang Spoon]

I think this has gone beyond rational economics talk, and I'm a massive pessimist about Scotland normally. Also, Brexit will be a shitshow, there's no going back now.

[The Red Max]

However, I do take Lang Spoon 's point about the Internal Market Bill.
When it's boiled down to it's core, it's pretty grim for the devolved administrations.
The SNP will get a lot of mileage out of it.

[DCI Harry Batt]

"rational economics talk" is bunk

[Lang Spoon]

Aka "but whit aboot ma pinshin?". But Salmond did sell Indy1 on the fantasy it would be all rainbows and sunshine setting up a new state, the pish talking cunt. Being honest about what's ahead (and that any pain will be less than the disaster capitalism of Brexit) will probably see them do ok this time.

also almost no one under 65 describes themselves as more British than Scottish, even folk voting Tory or Labour. I think
folk outside of Twitter frothers are pretty fucking sick of being tied to a failed shabby state: This Union is as dead as it can be, just hope the next steps are bloodless.

[Lang Spoon]

https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/1316378061567336453

the last honest Tory writes. Also about the only writer in the Spectator who isn't a total cunt (though he's still a TERF apologist fuck).

[Diable Rouge]

https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1316352204933074944

[DCI Harry Batt]

Be interesting to turn that into numbers. 58% of Labour voters - how many people would that be?

[Diable Rouge]

Labour scored 13% of the vote, so that would be 5.46% Yes versus 7.54% No.

[DCI Harry Batt]

So a bit short of 300k Labour voters against independence. Who cares?

[Lang Spoon]

Slab are doubling down to make that their entire vote share.

[Diable Rouge]

So a bit short of 300k Labour voters against independence. Who cares?

It will fall further.

[Duncan Gardner]

Scottish vote share % in 2019 GE

SNP 45, Tory 25, Labour 19, LibDem 10

Which applied to that Stats for Lefties tweet shows Referendum voting Yes intention

SNP 43%, Labour 8, LibDem 2, Tory 1, (Green 1). Total 55% Yes.

[Hot Pepsi]

An old friend of OTF writes:

https://twitter.com/tomhfh/status/1316359147479347202

Even I know that’s stupid.

”Legitimizes rerunning referendums.” Was that ever not legitimate?

[Antepli Ejderha]

Was Indy Ref legally binding or was it like the Brexit vote?