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    May as well post my sole tweet concerning that individual here - https://twitter.com/komodomymanor/status/1276831691865284610

    More importantly, Black Trans Lives Matter. March today from Wellington Arch to Downing Street, 2-3pm.

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      https://twitter.com/Bonjour_Teddy/status/1277340418821193730

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        That wanker Starmer both-sidesing it today

        https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1277503543901999109

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          Even worse, it turns out that he's seen anti-trans fascists acting out their unpleasantness in person, so he can't even plead ignorance.

          https://twitter.com/jasebyjason/status/1277537230513471489

          He is disgusting. If he ever approaches me to canvass my vote I will spit in his eye.

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            Apologies in advance for my ignorance, as it's not a subject I've had much experience of but a genuine wish to understand it better;

            Keir Starmer's comment above ^^ "..protect women who are concerned about safe spaces"

            Are those concerns (if they exist) totally unfounded?

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              Have you had a read of this thread, FoA?

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                Originally posted by Foot of Astaire's View Post
                Apologies in advance for my ignorance, as it's not a subject I've had much experience of but a genuine wish to understand it better;

                Keir Starmer's comment above ^^ "..protect women who are concerned about safe spaces"

                Are those concerns (if they exist) totally unfounded?
                Trans women are women

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                  Bu as TonTon says, just read this thread. It's a brilliant starting place thanks to DM and others.

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                    There's also the Piers Morgan Transphobe thread that might come in handy, FoA.

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                      Originally posted by Foot of Astaire's View Post
                      Apologies in advance for my ignorance, as it's not a subject I've had much experience of but a genuine wish to understand it better;

                      Keir Starmer's comment above ^^ "..protect women who are concerned about safe spaces"

                      Are those concerns (if they exist) totally unfounded?
                      Hi FoA. In brief, yes. 'Toilet/bathroom panic' is an invention of the American evangelical right, who have plentiful connections and provide dodgy funding to UK hate groups ('legitimate concerns' peddlers) such as Transgender Trend, Fair Play For Women and the LGB Alliance.

                      As TonTon says, please read this thread and also the Piers Morgan Transphobe thread (https://www.onetouchfootball.com/for...gan-transphobe) for more on this.

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                        I'd like to add that I post on these topics specifically for the OTF audience. If you find material here interesting and wish to share any of it with others then please do it via quotation rather than e.g. linking on Twitter. Trans people who come to any kind of public prominence, however small, usually experience a lot of abuse and sometimes get technology-minded creeps delving into their online lives with malicious intent (up to and including doxxing). This is why I customised the spellings in the thread title.

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                          Other key 'in brief' points: countries that have formalised self-ID - Ireland, Denmark, a few others (Uruguay? Can't remember) - have experienced zero problems as a consequence; trans people are not some new phenomenon but have been around for years in the gendered spaces that match our gender (and this is an actual requirement for transitioning in the UK - it is referred to as 'Real Life Experience'); actual biologists recognise sex and gender as being far more complex than a genital- or even chromosome-determined binary.

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                            Article on an organisation that exists to put parents of trans children in touch with conversion therapists, started by a self-described "right on, lefty, Guardian reader" (please goddess, let that foul publication go bust soon). Conversion therapy is described by the UN as "cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment when it is conducted forcibly or without an individual's consent and may amount to torture" so it might be quite hard to read, obviously a content note for child abuse applies.

                            https://www.teenvogue.com/story/gend...rd-trans-youth

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                              And – if i may add to dm's post before last, from a cis perspective – a substantial majority of cis women support trans rights; among the under-40s, that 'substantial' becomes 'near-universal'. The middle-aged white celebrity transphobes have a platform, but not nearly as much backing as they think.

                              i am very concerned about safe spaces for women, a position that i now see, thanks in large part to delicatemoth, is not just compatible with recognising trans women's right to enter those spaces, but actually requires it.

                              i've said this before but searching out blogs and social media posts from trans men was an immense help for me in learning to see beyond the gender politics. There's a whole set of stereotypes about trans men, too, but they're quite different from the ones levelled at trans women, and it's easier, i think, for us cis people to see the layers of prejudice and misinformation that they're based on, if we're open to doing so, and then to apply what we've learnt to all trans and non-binary people.

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                                On 'female spaces' - https://twitter.com/wordgeeksez/status/1277339614244745216

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                                  Originally posted by delicatemoth View Post
                                  Other key 'in brief' points: countries that have formalised self-ID - Ireland, Denmark, a few others (Uruguay? Can't remember) - have experienced zero problems as a consequence; trans people are not some new phenomenon but have been around for years in the gendered spaces that match our gender (and this is an actual requirement for transitioning in the UK - it is referred to as 'Real Life Experience'); actual biologists recognise sex and gender as being far more complex than a genital- or even chromosome-determined binary.
                                  When UK Labour is being schooled on trans rights by Fine Gael.

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                                    Originally posted by laverte View Post
                                    i am very concerned about safe spaces for women, a position that i now see, thanks in large part to delicatemoth, is not just compatible with recognising trans women's right to enter those spaces, but actually requires it.
                                    Yep, and those who run and work in refuges will be experienced in the details of attempting to ensure the women they help remain safe, which will include dealing with potential threats from anyone whether they're male, female, non-binary, cis or trans. It's almost as if properly funding such services would enable those who need them to have their own private space where they can be safe.

                                    There have been two points in my life where this has been an issue. The first was when I needed rape counselling, so I looked for places on the net. I hadn't changed my name/officially transitioned so I wasn't sure if women's services such as Rape Crisis were appropriate, or would accept me. I knew I wasn't male, so men's services wouldn't do. Thankfully there was GALOP, who are a great organisation and well worthy of people's donation money.

                                    The second was when I became homeless and went to the council for help (more accurately was taken to the council for help, as I was massively depressed and could hardly do anything, fortunately a third sector org worker I'd been in contact with, on his own time, took care of me in this respect). I'd never been in a hostel but I knew that they often had dormitories. The idea of being in a male dormitory was horrifying. The idea of being in a female dormitory was nearly as horrifying. My body traumatises me, I couldn't stand the thought of any stranger seeing it. Luckily I live in inner London, and my borough found a place in a hostel for single vulnerable people where we all have our own rooms with attached bathrooms. Goodness only knows what would have become of me if I'd lived somewhere that wasn't possible.

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                                      Thanks all. I have read much of this thread previously but in all honesty some of the terms and references were lost on me. I'll start again from scratch and may be back in a few days with more questions if that's ok

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                                        JK Rowling has apparently unfollowed Stephen King on Twitter because of his support for trans women.

                                        Trans women are women, says Stephen King, prompting J.K. Rowling to unfollow him and rescind her praise https://www.rt.com/news/493222-rowli...ter-exchanage/

                                        Apologies for the source.

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                                          Given FoA's question, I was going to note again how batshit crazy the UK appears to be on this subject compared to most of the rest of the developed world.

                                          As dm noted, bathroom panic was a creation of the far right evangelical complex here, but never got the traction outside of those communities that it has in the UK. King is by no means a progressive champion, but his statement is absolutely mainstream in this country.

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                                            This site appears useful on USican views:

                                            https://www.prri.org/research/americ...gender-rights/

                                            The bathroom thing still looks pretty divisive.


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                                              It's led to people who style themselves as feminists overtly aligning themselves with anti-abortion activists (hello Linda Bellos).

                                              At least one British trans woman has actually sought (and been granted) asylum abroad (in New Zealand) due to the climate here.

                                              Can't remember if I noted it on this thread but a few weeks ago marked the first Sunday for two years that didn't see at least one national newspaper publishing a trans hit piece of some description. I've got used to bracing myself every week, because I actually like keeping up with news. It's not a great way to live.

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                                                Originally posted by delicatemoth View Post
                                                Don't get me started.

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                                                  Originally posted by Foot of Astaire's View Post
                                                  Apologies in advance for my ignorance, as it's not a subject I've had much experience of but a genuine wish to understand it better;

                                                  Keir Starmer's comment above ^^ "..protect women who are concerned about safe spaces"

                                                  Are those concerns (if they exist) totally unfounded?
                                                  Been thinking about how bathroom panics tie into a wider carceral approach to politics.

                                                  Carceral approaches to politics (including carceral feminisms) rely on the state dividing society into a "good people" who need protecting from a minority of "bad people". And is willing to accept significant amounts of collateral damage to ensure this goal.

                                                  But these categories of good and bad don't exist; there's no neat way of separating people into "those that cause harm" and "those that experience harm". Obviously those with more power - structural or institutional - have more opportunity to do harm and to escape sanction when they do and so cause harm more often, but marginalised people still have the ability to do harm - especially to those with access to less structural/institutional power than them .

                                                  Both reactionary conservatism and trans-exclusionary feminism (at least it's mordern incarnation) agree that (white, cis) women and (white cis) children are the people who need protecting from baddies. And that, for the most part, these "baddies", instead of being the most common perpetrators of interpersonal violence - intimate partners and close family members - are abstracted folk devils; the (racialised) stranger in the bushes, the (queer-coded) pervert in the public toilet or in the classroom corrupting your kids. These figures tend to represent society's racist, homophobic and transphobic anxieties to a far greater extent than they do actual dangers.

                                                  Otherwise we would be hearing calls to ban heterosexual relationships and the nuclear family, putting as they do vulnerable people in close unsupervised contact with abusers at an alarming rate*.

                                                  For transphobic feminists there's almost a axiomatic position that cis women don't perpetrate harm, especially not sexual violence. You'll hear transphobes assert that (cis) women don't rape - a fact that is trivially true according to English common law - but this idea of the white woman as vulnerable, benign, in need of protection is common to both right wing reactionaries and reactionary anti-trans feminisms.

                                                  And of course, the carceral solutions only serve to expose more people to harm - including many of the people that the carceral solutions are ostensibly deployed to protect.

                                                  You can sort of see that in the pushback by media transphobes against Black people using the word "Karen" to describe a particular type of suburban, middle-class, white woman who deploys (white, middle-class, heteronormative, cis) femininity as a tool of racist violence.

                                                  * it's worth saying that radical feminists have called for heterosexuality and the nuclear family to be criminalised or just phased out but these are far away from the mainstream of modern anti-trans feminisms (which, other than transphobia has precious little in common with older radical feminist traditions).

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                                                    There’s a lot of conflation in there. Yes, folk devils and moral panic has always been a thing. You don’t have to be a transphobe to get pissed off at the misogyny behind the “Karen” thing (which is just another way to dismiss women’s voices).

                                                    Yes, I did see that you specified the “type” who uses her privilege against black men, but it’s still unhelpful and emboldens the “type” of person who wants to bully or silence uppity white women.
                                                    Last edited by MsD; 01-07-2020, 11:50.

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