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    Originally posted by ursus arctos View Post
    My money is on self-inflicted in an attempt to bolster his appeal of the denial of bail

    https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1154379743564894208
    I went straight into conspiracy-land, wondering if it was an entirely fabricated story to make Epstein's life easier and this prevent him from testifying against powerful individuals.

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      Originally posted by ursus arctos View Post
      My money is on self-inflicted in an attempt to bolster his appeal of the denial of bail

      https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1154379743564894208
      I was half expecting him to be found dead, it would be convenient for all if that happened.

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        Lebensraum has been advocated on the Israeli right by Efraim Eitam, a government minister under Sharon. The term itself goes back to the 1890s.

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Lebensraum

        It does not have to involve ethnic cleansing but in Israel it has evolved in tandem with it.

        Maybe so, but it's a term which is heavily associated with Nazi Germany and would have been leapt upon by a number of parties. People may wonder why that word in particular was chosen, rather than a number of available alternatives.

        Just to be clear, I'm not accusing you of AS. I'm just say that the wrong choice of words can get you into a lot of bother in the current climate, as a number of people have discovered to their cost.
        Last edited by Nocturnal Submission; 25-07-2019, 14:11.

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          Epstein apparently found unconscious with neck injuries. Like TG said, could be very convenient for some people if he couldn't give any information.

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            Good work, Guy....

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              Originally posted by Nocturnal Submission View Post


              Maybe so, but it's a term which is heavily associated with Nazi Germany and would have been leapt upon by a number of parties. People may wonder why that word in particular was chosen, rather than a number of available alternatives.

              Just to be clear, I'm not accusing you of AS. I'm just say that the wrong choice of words can get you into a lot of bother in the current climate, as a number of people have discovered to their cost.
              I agree with you to the extent that it could imply that the Israelis are imitating the Nazis, which is definitely not my view. So point taken.

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                Oh Dear
                https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...pstein-problem
                The plot thickens
                https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...cuments-secret

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                  Bill Clinton is very specific about the number of times that he was on that plane. Really specific. That would want to stand up really well to scrutiny, because that is a very specific claim indeed.

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                    Who could have predicted anything unsavory to do with Victoria's Secret.

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                      Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View Post
                      Bill Clinton is very specific about the number of times that he was on that plane. Really specific. That would want to stand up really well to scrutiny, because that is a very specific claim indeed.
                      Right, but Clinton is calling it '4 trips where secret service were always present', but most of the really interesting trips had multiple legs to them over the span of weeks, some of which had no secret service on specific legs. So....it's as if he's hiding in his phrasing.

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                        I had never heard of Ghislaine Maxwell before just recently and her role and connections between the Clintons-Epstein and Trump-Epstein are really something.

                        Last Thursday's donor-only episode of Chapo Trap House (which feels very coke-driven) was about Epstein, and how much connections one can draw between him and so many things adjacent to governments and people with real power, and just how insane this can make you feel. I don't know how much, if any, of this conspiracy is true, but it feels like it could be.
                        Last edited by Incandenza; 29-07-2019, 13:36.

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                          We'll find out this week / next week when the unsealed docs are released. Gonna be lots of blanket denials from well-known "I just bumped into him once at a cocktail party" sorts.

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                            The article that Dershowitz was trying to pre-empt is a pretty good survey of his career of unpleasantness

                            [URL="https://twitter.com/newyorker/status/1155817766064185345?s=21"]https://twitter.com/newyorker/status/1155817766064185345[/URL]

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                              Someone who has denied having sex with underage girls making the argument that the agent of consent should be lowered is uhhhh interesting

                              [URL]https://twitter.com/AlanDersh/status/1155962389776351238[/URL]

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                                https://twitter.com/FlitterOnFraud/status/1156651107088818176

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                                  Ah, they changed it from stating that Stephen Jay Gould still associated Epstein after his conviction in 2008...Gould died in 2002.

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                                    From the craven bullshit credulous deference to utter cockrot to the constant 'exclusivity' in crowd to the genetic superiority fetish to the hatred of the poor to the desire for uber privacy to being listened to by people supposedly against all this stuff (hey Bill!) Epstein is the living walking embodiment of the cadaverous spectre of late-neoliberalism.

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                                      Very much so, which is why we will continue to see a massive campaign designed to mask that truth

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                                        Look over there, they are making another R Kelly documentary
                                        https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/realit...ermath-sequel/

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                                          Emmm, he's fairly fuckin hideous and so far immune from criminal punishment as well.

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                                            Goddamn

                                            [URL]https://twitter.com/lib_crusher/status/1157127851893764096[/URL]

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                                              He's killed himself in his cell

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                                                https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-report-latest
                                                ​​​​​​Ah.

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                                                  A lot of people are going to have a relaxing weekend now

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                                                    Originally posted by ursus arctos View Post
                                                    He's killed himself in his cell
                                                    He was found dead in his cell, surely.

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