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    Originally posted by Incandenza View Post
    The Dersh has an unhinged op-ed talking about a smear campaign against him and a hit job being prepared by the New Yorker. He published it at...Newsmax. Clearly no one else is willing to publish him at this point.
    That sentence is proceeding along in a steady, kind of humdrum "this is 2019 so brace yourself" kind of way, until clang, it hits you right between the eyes. Oh dear. That happened quickly didn't it?

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      Originally posted by Antepli Ejderha View Post
      https://ahtribune.com/us/3296-did-pe...or-mossad.html

      Here's another that links Clinton and Epstein. So much of this appears exaggerated or fake but who knows.
      That article: The Jewish state. The Jewish state. The Jewish ​​​​​​​state.

      ​​​​​​​Fuck off cunt.

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        Originally posted by Posty Webber View Post

        That article: The Jewish state. The Jewish state. The Jewish ​​​​​​​state.

        ​​​​​​​Fuck off cunt.
        First of all have you read what I wrote in linking to that article?

        Secondly why launch a personal attack using sexist and degrading language?

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          I hope that Posty was directing his ire at the writer of the article not you, AE. I think if so, he does have a point, there is a bit of dodgy dog whistle stuff going on there, which detracts from the piece (which may or may not have some veracity, as you say)

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            Originally posted by Antepli Ejderha View Post

            First of all have you read what I wrote in linking to that article?

            Secondly why launch a personal attack using sexist and degrading language?
            Yes. It’s a general scream into the void mainly aimed at the author. Poster gets a very sweaty pass mark.

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              By my count, he phrase "Jewish state" is used twice in the article, both times following sentences using the name "Israel". The term "Jewish state" -- which is how Israel identifies itself by law -- might have been used as an editorial device, not as a dogwhistle. Maybe thew "cunt" of Posty Webber's outburst is just an anonymous sub-editor.

              Having said that, a phrase like "the effectiveness of Jewish power in Washington" is a bit dodgy. How much that detracts from the central premise of the article, I'd not like to be the judge of.

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                Yes that line really stands out. Why not "Israeli power"?

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                  You do know there’s currently a whole bunch of memes/conspiracy theories doing the rounds atm showing all the Jewish paedos/alleged paedos, right?

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                    Originally posted by G-Man View Post
                    Having said that, a phrase like "the effectiveness of Jewish power in Washington" is a bit dodgy. How much that detracts from the central premise of the article, I'd not like to be the judge of.
                    Mate, that is the central premise of the article.

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                      As ad hoc says, why not say 'Israel's power'?

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                        It's a deeply antisemitic article about Jews pulling the strings of American policy, even stretching to innuendo about 9/11. Its imagery is Jewish paedophiles getting state protection, etc, pretty much Stormfront memes.

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                          Thank you Satchmo D.

                          Observing whether any otf-er calls out an article like this is the canary in the mine for me.

                          Radio silence from most and borderline defence from another has the little fella on his side coughing and wheezing as far as I see it.

                          So fucking dark.

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                            Kudos to Posty Webber. The AHT is a rum outlet from top to bottom, but then I guess if some need their world view confirming...

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                              I'm not sure this thread is the place for the conversation, but like Posty Webber, I've always been very uncomfortable with the term "The Jewish State", even if it's a term used by Israel itself. It doesn't seem like just a sub-editorial way of not saying "Israel" too many times. It's just a massively loaded term.

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                                When I arrived in Tel Aviv airport, I was greeted with a sign saying Israel was the place to which Jews return from exile (or words to that effect). Obviously this would intimidate an Arab Israeli. So there is clearly an institutional drive by the nationalist right to portray itself as a Jewish state. The problem is that when the left uses the term, it implies that the entire world Jewish population supports the state or is accountable for it, which is clearly false, and that the state's Lebensraum expansionism is expressing some essential Jewish characteristic rather than having parallels with how settlers have acted across history, so that Jewishness is used as an ideological excuse for land theft like whiteness was used as an excuse in the US and Australia, with potentially genocidal consequences. America had Manifest Destiny, Israel has right of return. OTOH there are degrees of racism in those concepts and not every Israeli is cheerleading for genocide.

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                                  It's not just that Israel self-describes or portrays itself as a Jewish state. It has legislated itself as being a Jewish state. It explicitly insists that it is by definition and in law a Jewish state. As far as I can tell, most Jews seem to support that or acquiesce in it. Surely that is not a controversial observation.

                                  While it is very true that "not every Israeli is cheerleading for genocide" -- I have Israeli friends who very much are not -- the fact is that Israelis have over 70 years elected and re-elected governments that, without exception, are perpetuating the incremental genocide.

                                  The parallel to apartheid South Africa applies (as so often it does). White South Africans elected and re-elected governments that perpetuated apartheid and land theft. While not every white person was a racist, the majority supported apartheid or acquiesced in it.

                                  For that, white South Africa was isolated, including those who opposed apartheid.

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                                    I don't think it's a good idea to use "the Jewish state" for two quite different reasons. 1 - as people above have said, the implication is that Israel's brutal crimes are somehow a function of its Jewishness ;and 2 - it's Netanyahu's preferred term because it is massively exclusionary and further marginalises all those Israelis who are not Jewish (not to mention all the millions under their control whose lives they destroy)

                                    In short, it's both potentially anti Semitic and pro the Israeli far right

                                    BTW I confess to have never coming across this hideous racist conspiracy theory equating Jews and paedophiles. Thanks for flagging it up.

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                                      Originally posted by Satchmo Distel View Post
                                      When I arrived in Tel Aviv airport, I was greeted with a sign saying Israel was the place to which Jews return from exile (or words to that effect). Obviously this would intimidate an Arab Israeli. So there is clearly an institutional drive by the nationalist right to portray itself as a Jewish state. The problem is that when the left uses the term, it implies that the entire world Jewish population supports the state or is accountable for it, which is clearly false, and that the state's Lebensraum expansionism is expressing some essential Jewish characteristic rather than having parallels with how settlers have acted across history, so that Jewishness is used as an ideological excuse for land theft like whiteness was used as an excuse in the US and Australia, with potentially genocidal consequences. America had Manifest Destiny, Israel has right of return. OTOH there are degrees of racism in those concepts and not every Israeli is cheerleading for genocide.

                                      It's that the sort of thing that would get you labelled as an anti-Semite in certain circles?

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                                        Anti-anti-Semitism is one of the more annoying forms of right-wing gaslighting these days.

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                                          Originally posted by ad hoc View Post
                                          I don't think it's a good idea to use "the Jewish state" for two quite different reasons. 1 - as people above have said, the implication is that Israel's brutal crimes are somehow a function of its Jewishness ;and 2 - it's Netanyahu's preferred term because it is massively exclusionary and further marginalises all those Israelis who are not Jewish (not to mention all the millions under their control whose lives they destroy)

                                          In short, it's both potentially anti Semitic and pro the Israeli far right
                                          Agreed.

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                                            My money is on self-inflicted in an attempt to bolster his appeal of the denial of bail

                                            https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1154379743564894208

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                                              Originally posted by Nocturnal Submission View Post


                                              It's that the sort of thing that would get you labelled as an anti-Semite in certain circles?
                                              Lebensraum has been advocated on the Israeli right by Efraim Eitam, a government minister under Sharon. The term itself goes back to the 1890s.

                                              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Lebensraum

                                              It does not have to involve ethnic cleansing but in Israel it has evolved in tandem with it.
                                              Last edited by Satchmo Distel; 25-07-2019, 13:41.

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