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  • pebblethefish
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    I've always pronounced Ghislaine the same way I pronounce the chocolate company Guylian (when I say always, I mean since she started appearing in the papers, which was about the same time that I started regularly dealing with Guylian at work). I still have no idea whether I pronounce either of them correctly, but this thread seems to reckon that it's with a hard G, so at least I've got the first letter right, and I'm pretty confident about the last.

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  • Nefertiti2
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    https://twitter.com/flying_rodent/status/1281245896030724097?s=20

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  • Nocturnal Submission
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    Originally posted by sw2borshch View Post
    So probably not that porous for people who lived either side of it.

    Good news for those with inadequate flood insurance.

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  • sw2borshch
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    Originally posted by ursus arctos View Post
    sw2boro, there would have been very few (if any) Jews left alive by the time it became Soviet
    Apparently the Romanian town has a fairly significant Jewish population today, but yeah, I was getting my timeline slightly mixed up, as above.

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  • sw2borshch
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    Ah, yeah, in the 30s it's Czechoslovakia, not the USSR. Then it's going to be pretty porous, isn't it - the border is only theretthere effectively tax trade (and extract bribes), no-one is going to care about people, that they likely recognise, going back and forth to markets, relatives' houses and the like.

    That last link of ad hoc's is crackers.

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  • ad hoc
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    Originally posted by ursus arctos View Post
    It's quite hilly and there is a national park on the Ukrainian side that includes a sanctuary for ursus arctos (yes, really)

    I'm not sure how capable the pre-war Hungarian or Czechoslovak governments were of effectively sealing a border of that type.
    It was in Romania by that time. Since Trianon. But the point stands. The river is a reasonably sized one, but probably crossable

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  • ursus arctos
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    sw2boro, there would have been very few (if any) Jews left alive by the time it became Soviet

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  • ursus arctos
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    It's quite hilly and there is a national park on the Ukrainian side that includes a sanctuary for ursus arctos (yes, really)

    I'm not sure how capable the pre-war Hungarian or Czechoslovak governments were of effectively sealing a border of that type.

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  • WOM
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    Nationality-wise, L's grandfather was born in Newfoundland before it joined Canada, and he'd refuse to call himself Canadian since 'the vote was rigged'. He maintained that position all his life, and it was pretty much confirmed to be true in later years. England wanted rid of the hassle.

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  • ad hoc
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    This family were from that area too (on the Romanian side) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ovitz_family

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  • WOM
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    Originally posted by ursus arctos View Post
    My crossing of the Hungarian-Romanian border in 1984 featured about a dozen people being marched off the train at gunpoint..
    When I crossed the France / Italy border by train, a guy got marched off at gunpoint with one guard carrying a long, elaborate sword / dagger thing that had been found in the guy's luggage. He was the only person bothered, so they knew who and what they were looking for.

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  • sw2borshch
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    Musing along, it's possible that the Soviet times produced a bit of a Berlin Wall effect on what may have been a fairly mingled Yiddish speaking Jewish community across the towns.

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  • sw2borshch
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    I suppose it depends how important a border crossing it was, and as there's a fair sized town right on the border it was probably quite important. So probably not that porous for people who lived either side of it. Depending on how big that river is and perhaps how far to the next big town on the Soviet side.

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  • WOM
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    Originally posted by ad hoc View Post
    Blimey I've crossed the border there.
    Hah...I thought you meant that metaphorically [like 'we're through the looking-glass, people'], but then realized you meant you crossed the actual border there.

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  • ursus arctos
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    The Sighet dynasty of Hasidim is the parent of the larger and better known Satmar dynasty (which has tens of thousands of members in Brooklyn).

    The two towns are very close, but I have no idea how porous that border was in the 30s.

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  • ad hoc
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    Well they're very close, separated only by a river. And the two are of similar age, Maxwell born in 23, Wiesel in 28. But the river will have been a border right up until the time of the Holocaust, so I sort of doubt they;d have met

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  • sw2borshch
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    I've had a look myself and they're basically two sides of a river, so it's the same place really. So it's possibly reasonable to assume they attended the same synagogue at times, or a junior school or celebration of some kind. Not that it really matters or has any relation to the topic at hand.

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  • sw2borshch
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    How close are the two places, ad hoc? Do we assume that their paths likely crossed?

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  • ad hoc
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    It's all a bit easier now. Romania isn't in Schengen so it;s not quite a breeze, but it;s pretty simple (though the train still stops for an hour while guards from both countries come round and check)

    The Maxwell/Wiesel border in question is of course Romania/Ukraine

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  • ursus arctos
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    My crossing of the Hungarian-Romanian border in 1984 featured about a dozen people being marched off the train at gunpoint, including the African "businessman" who had been trying to interest the occupants of our carriage in the Austrian-sourced contraband in his duffel bag (Meinl coffee featured prominently).

    The guard also extorted me for the visa, and gave me "change" in Lei notes that looked to have been laundered (literally) dozens of times. One could barely make out the denominations.

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  • ad hoc
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    Sighetu Marmației, the town on the Romanian side of that border crossing is where Elie Wiesel was born.

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  • Fussbudget
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    Originally posted by sw2borshch View Post
    Couldn't resist the tap-in...
    Hey, not everyone on this board can be called Chris.

    Originally posted by Evariste Euler Gauss View Post
    The fact that he chose "Maxwell" as his new, English, surname reminds me of Maxwell House coffee (which apparently is still going, though I never see it these days)
    It makes think of Maxell C90 tapes because I keep forgetting about the missing W. Just looked up the origins of that name, which appear to be glorious nonsense ('the company's name is a contraction of "maximum capacity dry cell"', as any fule kno)

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  • elguapo4
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    My only journey over the Hungarian / Romanian border was by train in 1992. On the way into Romania, we were woken up at 2 am by a large female border guard, who sat on the edge of our bunk demanding 10 dollars each for an entry Visa ( we later found out it was only 2 dollars at the airport). On the way back into Hungary, the border guards barely glanced at our passports but gave the Romanian man sharing the carriage with us a right hard time for about 10 minutes.

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  • sw2borshch
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    https://open.spotify.com/episode/7n0...SbCtDAVVDjR1xw

    The Behind the Bastards podcast is interesting on Epstein, as it is on everything.

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  • Incandenza
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    Originally posted by WOM View Post
    I watched the doc and I heard everyone saying Ghee-len'. I was also pronouncing it the French way all these years.
    I was thinking it was "Jizz-lane" until I heard someone say it.

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