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  • ursus arctos
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    Bail denied

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  • The Awesome Berbaslug!!!
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    See what I mean. You go out for a nice evening of drinking yourself to oblivion, and you end up in a compromising picture. I'd say you must have been at a few social or business events over the years Ursus, where there were people that on balance you are glad that you weren't photographed near, based on what you now know

    I must admit that today was very late in the day for me to realise that Epstein's missus was Robert Maxwell's daughter. I suspect that if I had read about this story in the Uk press, that fact would have been considerably more front and centre.
    Last edited by The Awesome Berbaslug!!!; 18-07-2019, 01:15.

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  • Lang Spoon
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    She is the absolute spit of her brother.

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  • ursus arctos
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  • Lang Spoon
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    Pinker is just the optimistic mirror of Jordan Scientist of the Dolorous Countenance Peterson. With worse hair. A Panglossian Reactionary. Oh how I'd laugh like a drain if he's on an Epstein tape along with WJC, AD, DT and the rest.

    Evolutionary Psychology from Lorenz down to this egregious bastard is pure reactionary pish. Up there with Kipling's Just So stories as a scientific theory of How Things Are (so let's not bother fighting for change).
    Last edited by Lang Spoon; 18-07-2019, 00:23.

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  • The Awesome Berbaslug!!!
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    Originally posted by Tactical Genius View Post
    I agree Homosexuality was conflated with Peadophillia, but I assumed that came a bit later like the 80's
    The gay and straight ages of consent in the UK were only equalized in 2003. Up until 1994 you could theoretically be prosecuted for having sex with a 20 year old. So you can see how that might distort some people's thinking. But there has been absolutely no excuse for thinking that way for a long time now.

    That Pinker Article is interesting. One thing that I took from it is regardless of whether or not what he says is true, it's that you'd have to be terrified of attending any social function with really rich people, because you don't know which of them is Patrick Bateman, and before you know it, you're in a photograph with the American Psycho. . I was reading an article in New York Magazine about Ghislaine Maxwell (which I can't link to because I burned through my free reads,) but in it there's a picture of Captain Bob's Daughter with Elon Musk at the 2014 Vanity Fair oscars after party. Now in the normal course of events he might know who she is, and of her connection to Jeffrey Epstein, but when this photo is taken he's clearly so drunk that he doesn't know where he is.

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  • Lang Spoon
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    Originally posted by Tactical Genius View Post

    Good point. However, the sexual revolution and free love in the 60's was primarily about two things that would have got you killed previously:

    Homosexuality
    Interracial sexual access

    And in many cases both at the same time.
    I agree Homosexuality was conflated with Peadophillia, but I assumed that came a bit later like the 80's (i am only in my mid 40's so I could be wrong on this). Regardless, Dirty old men sleeping with underage girls until very recently wasn't taken seriously on the odd occasion it reached court anyway. See all the mitigating statements when Rix went to prison for plying the underage girl with alcohol and weed before sleeping with her.
    Was more late 60s (see the Oz thread) and 70s where pederasty almost became acceptable in Progressive circles. Though fuckin Wyman escaped prosecution in the 80s despite the whole Mandy Smith thing.

    i still don't understand why John Peel or Bowie are given free passes, let alone obvious irredeemable sweaty junky wrong uns like Jimmy Page.
    Last edited by Lang Spoon; 17-07-2019, 23:54.

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  • Amor de Cosmos
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    Originally posted by Tactical Genius View Post
    However, the sexual revolution and free love in the 60's was primarily about two things that would have got you killed previously:

    Homosexuality
    Interracial sexual access
    Mmmm. Only partly. Mainly it was about having sex outside marriage at all. Which I know seems weird by today's standards, but prior to reliable female contraception, the risks were considerable for working and middle class British and American kids. For young women, obviously, but also for young men. If you wanted to screw you'd better get married, which is why teenage marriages were way more common than they are today.

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  • Tactical Genius
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    Originally posted by Lurgee View Post
    Judges being reluctant to make a distinction, in the light of the sexual liberation movement, doesn't.
    Good point. However, the sexual revolution and free love in the 60's was primarily about two things that would have got you killed previously:

    Homosexuality
    Interracial sexual access

    And in many cases both at the same time.
    I agree Homosexuality was conflated with Peadophillia, but I assumed that came a bit later like the 80's (i am only in my mid 40's so I could be wrong on this). Regardless, Dirty old men sleeping with underage girls until very recently wasn't taken seriously on the odd occasion it reached court anyway. See all the mitigating statements when Rix went to prison for plying the underage girl with alcohol and weed before sleeping with her.

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  • Incandenza
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    IHE article on Steven Pinker and his reaction to being connected to Epstein.

    https://www.insidehighered.com/news/...9C1UPI.twitter

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  • The Awesome Berbaslug!!!
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    Originally posted by Tactical Genius View Post
    Not sure if I agree with this, Paedophilia and men procuring underage girls for sex (I'll suspend comment on the overage prostitutes for now) precedes the sexual liberation movement of the 60's by a few thousand years.
    This is a trap that a lot of people fell into at the time. think about it this way, it was illegal to have inter racial sex, it was illegal to have gay sex, and it was illegal to do X. There's a lot of people who are going to look at those first two positions and how insanely wrong they are and come to the conclusion that making any kind of sex illegal is wrong, so why should it be illegal to do X where X is anything from child abuse to bestiality. It's nonsense, but it can make sense if you don't twig that consent is the important thing.

    In the UK you wound up with things like the Paedophile information exchange, and you wound up with a bunch of early gay rights activists who had to readjust some of their earlier public positions when they saw past the whole "We are all brothers in oppression." fog.

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  • Lurgee
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    Judges being reluctant to make a distinction, in the light of the sexual liberation movement, doesn't.

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  • Tactical Genius
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    Originally posted by Femme Folle View Post
    Fuck all of them straight to hell.
    I concur 100%.
    The basic point is that the reluctance to judge sexual preferences and fetishes (and blurring the distinction between the two concepts) in the name of sexual liberation created a space for Epstein types to flourish.
    Not sure if I agree with this, Paedophilia and men procuring underage girls for sex (I'll suspend comment on the overage prostitutes for now) precedes the sexual liberation movement of the 60's by a few thousand years.

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  • Femme Folle
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    Fuck all of them straight to hell.

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  • Lang Spoon
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    Oy.

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  • Tactical Genius
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    Kevin Spacey charges dropped..

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  • WOM
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    In one of the pieces - and I've read so many that I can't even be bothered trying to find it - Epstein says "they weren't 'children', they were tweens and teens'. Nice that he can see the shading. Tweens are, like, 11 and 12.

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  • WOM
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    "Pedophile Billionaire's Sex Jet" sounds a bit sensationalist until you scratch the surface and realize he might only be a multi-millionaire. But other than that...

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  • Antepli Ejderha
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    I'm sure UA.

    Some of the other things in your article matched the ones I linked to even though the title makes it seem like a conspiracy theory gone mad.

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  • ursus arctos
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    If I had a dollar for every obnoxious dweeb from Brooklyn who claimed to be working for Mossad . . .

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  • Antepli Ejderha
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    https://ahtribune.com/us/3296-did-pe...or-mossad.html

    Here's another that links Clinton and Epstein. So much of this appears exaggerated or fake but who knows.

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  • ursus arctos
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    Gawker's original story on the flight logs is instructive, and also includes an active link to the raw data (which is handwritten and hard to read).

    Bill Clinton took repeated trips on the " Lolita Express"—the private passenger jet owned by billionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein—with an actress in softcore porn movies whose name appears in Epstein's address book under an entry for "massages," according to flight logbooks obtained by Gawker and published today for the first time. The logs also show that Clinton shared more than a dozen flights with a woman who federal prosecutors believe procured underage girls to sexually service Epstein and his friends and acted as a "potential co-conspirator" in his crimes.

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  • Satchmo Distel
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    Imagine the shitstorm that would be blowing right now if HRC had won in 2016.

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  • The Awesome Berbaslug!!!
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    I have a velvelettes earworm now. There are worse earworms to have. It could be some time before I reach for the palate cleansing "Suicide is painless" by johnny mandel.

    Though I am slightly freaked out that when I typed "He" into youtube it immediately came up with what I was looking for.

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  • WOM
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    Ooooooo....the 'boys' long, long weekend without escorts all over Asia' sounds like it would have been interesting. Bill and Jeff, doing charitable work for kids and orphans and whatnot. That sounds....like something.

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