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    Having said that, the Commission's been on a bit of a tear this week, including:
    Today, the European Commission decided to refer Hungary to the Court of Justice of the EU concerning legislation that criminalises activities in support of asylum applications and further restricts the right to request asylum. The Commission has also decided tosend a letter of formal notice to Hungary concerning the non-provision of food to persons awaiting return who are detained in the Hungarian transit zones at the border with Serbia. Another decision taken today concerns the referral of Hungary to the Court of Justice of the EU for excluding non-EU nationals with long-term resident status from exercising the veterinary profession.

    Court referral for criminalising activities in support of asylum and residence applications

    In July 2018, the Commission sent a letter of formal notice to Hungary concerning the so-called "Stop Soros" legislation - which criminalises activities that support asylum and residence applications and further restricts the right to request asylum. In view of the unsatisfactory response, the Commission followed-up with a reasoned opinion in January 2019. After analysing the Hungarian authorities' reply, the Commission considered that the majority of the concerns raised have still not been addressed and has decided to refer Hungary to the Court of Justice of the EU. Specifically, the Commission finds that Hungarian legislation is incompatible with EU law in the following respects:
    • Criminalisation of support to asylum applicants: The Hungarian legislation curtails asylum applicants' right to communicate with and be assisted by relevant national, international and non-governmental organisations by criminalising support to asylum applications. This is in violation of the Asylum Procedures Directive and the Reception Conditions Directive.
    • Unlawful limitation of the right to asylum and introduction of new non-admissibility grounds for asylum applications: The new law and the constitutional amendment on asylum have introduced new grounds for declaring an asylum application inadmissible, restricting the right to asylum only to people arriving in Hungary directly from a place where their life or freedom are at risk. These additional inadmissibility grounds for asylum applications exclude persons who entered Hungary from a country where they were not persecuted but which does not fulfil the criteria of a safe-third-country. Therefore, these inadmissibility grounds curtail the right to asylum in a way that is not compatible with EU or international law. As such, the national rules are in violation of the EU Asylum Procedures Directive, the Asylum Qualifications Directive and the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union.

    Letter of formal notice concerning the situation of returnees in the Hungarian transit zones

    The European Commission has decided today to send a letter of formal notice to Hungary concerning the situation of persons in the Hungarian transit zones at the border with Serbia, whose applications for international protection have been rejected, and who are waiting to be returned to a third country.

    In the Commission's view, their compulsory stay in the Hungarian transit zones qualifies as detention under the EU's Return Directive. The Commission finds that the detention conditions in the Hungarian transit zones, in particular the withholding of food, do not respect the material conditions set out in the Return Directive and the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union.

    In view of the urgency of the situation, the deadline for Hungary to respond to the Commission's concerns is set to 1 month, after which the Commission may decide to follow-up by sending a reasoned opinion.

    The European Court of Human Rights has already granted interim measures in several instances, obliging Hungary to provide food to persons detained in the transit zones. In July 2018, the Commission referred Hungary to the Court of Justice in a case relating to the detention of asylum seekers in the Hungarian transit zones. The case is currently pending before the Court.

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      Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View Post

      AAAARGH.

      The political declaration will then set out a timetable for a Canada-style free trade agreement to be negotiated, with a timeframe of three to five years – a meaningful period for a premiership, a blink of the eye for a generational project such as Brexit. The UK would then cut over from de facto EU membership to the new partnership at that point. This would enable Johnson to claim that he had torn up Theresa May’s near-universally hated withdrawal agreement and avoided the “undemocratic” backstop.

      AAAAAARGH.

      He does not understand what the backstop is for. The UK is not going to be allowed to leave the EU without putting in place legal binding guarantees to protect the 100 areas of cross border co-operation that require northern Ireland to remain in the customs union, and to a meaningful degree, remain in the single market as well. Discussions between the EU and the UK cannot move on until the UK passes the withdrawal agreement. Not only is the UK going to have to bring in the back stop, but it's going to have to be seen to do it. A canada plus agreement doesn't remove the need for a backstop, it's one of the possible outcomes where the backstop would actually come into force.

      This article also presupposes an infinite appetite in the EU for dragging out this brexit bollocks for another five years.
      But I do not understand what the backstop is for

      Doubtless, someone can explain.

      But I am not an elected politician.

      Least of all the Prime Minister

      Who has paid professionals who can explain to him what the backstop is for

      Oh well.


      Meh.

      <shrugs shoulders>

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        Originally posted by Guy Profumo View Post
        The political declaration will then set out a timetable for a Canada-style free trade agreement to be negotiated, with a timeframe of three to five years
        Five years? Dream on. Our trade agreement took seven years to negotiate, it didn't include services and Canada carried nothing like the baggage into negotiations that the UK does. Even so the whole shebang was almost scuttled by the Wallonians the day before it was announced.

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          Kibasi hates the backstop. Weirdly, he’s not put this in writing as far as I can tell, but I heard him on Novara explain that it’s a complete capitulation by May, and actually worse than a proper customs union, for example, since that would at least offer the UK some representation when it came to trade deals if likely not a formal veto.

          He’s not a Brexiter whatsoever, more that he thinks the UK government has sold the myth of Magic Fairy Cakeist Brexit and that includes dressing up the WA.

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            Originally posted by Amor de Cosmos View Post

            Five years? Dream on. Our trade agreement took seven years to negotiate, it didn't include services and Canada carried nothing like the baggage into negotiations that the UK does. Even so the whole shebang was almost scuttled by the Wallonians the day before it was announced.
            I said that?

            That looks far too convoluted for this bear of non-existent brain.

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              Originally posted by ursus arctos View Post
              Well, it depends.

              The Turks would say that they are very strict indeed.

              As Flynnie indicates, a first step would be cancelling all of the opt-outs the UK has been granted.
              Yeah. But maybe that would be for the best in the long-run.

              The world has had managed to get by without shillings and crowns and guineas. It can live without pounds.

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                Originally posted by Guy Profumo View Post

                I said that?

                That looks far too convoluted for this bear of non-existent brain.
                No, sorry, it's a quote of a quote from the Guardian piece upthread.

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                  Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View Post
                  The political declaration will then set out a timetable for a Canada-style free trade agreement to be negotiated, with a timeframe of three to five years – a meaningful period for a premiership, a blink of the eye for a generational project such as Brexit.
                  I wish someone in the UK would interview Chrystia Freeland, who was the chief Canadian negotiator in the EU trade deal and is now Foreign Minister, and ask her what it entailed and how personally draining it was.

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                    Originally posted by Guy Profumo View Post

                    But I do not understand what the backstop is for

                    Doubtless, someone can explain.

                    But I am not an elected politician.

                    Least of all the Prime Minister

                    Who has paid professionals who can explain to him what the backstop is for

                    Oh well.


                    Meh.

                    <shrugs shoulders>
                    Simply put....... The Good friday agreement ulitmately means that England, Scotland and wales can fuck off and have whatever kind of brexit that they want, But northern ireland has to stay in the customs union to avoid a hard border on the island of ireland, and they need to stay far enough in the single market to allow Northern Ireland's farmers to remain in the Irish all island farm system. (Northern Irish Unionist Farmers are british, but their cattle are Irish, and that's the way they like it). There's loads of other stuff, but they are the two biggest. Now obviously the backstop doesn't kick in if the whole UK remains in the EU customs union, and if they stay in the single market. But even if you were trying to do that, you'd have to pass the backstop anyway. It ultimately means that the more the UK wants to diverge from the EU, the more GB will diverge from NI.

                    If the tories weren't reliant on the votes of the DUP, they would probably have passed the backstop ages ago, but they can't. Because it would establish that Northern ireland had an entirely different system to the rest of the UK, and make it considerably closer to the republic than the uk in economic terms. It would in essence be a step towards a united ireland. Which it would be. but that's not our fucking fault. It's one of the three conditions that the UK has meet if it wants to leave the EU on terms short of economic war. (the other two being pay what you legally owe, and sort out the status of EU migrants, because we want none of that windrush bollocks) It's not something you get to refuse, It's more one of those situations where You rub the lotion on yourself, or else you get the hose again.

                    To a certain degree, it doesn't matter what the good friday agreement is about. It is an international agreement between an EU country and a non-EU country, and if the Non-EU country doesn't stick by the agreement, the EU will take serious and prompt action to enforce compliance because you don't want anyone else getting any ideas.

                    When Boris Johnson says "The EU needs to drop the backstop if it wants to reach an agreement with the uk" what he's actually saying is "We are declaring Economic war on the EU."
                    Last edited by The Awesome Berbaslug!!!; 26-07-2019, 20:41.

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                      https://twitter.com/ShehabKhan/status/1154851577628364800?s=20

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                        Whatever the fuck that means.

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                          It means that he expects you all to lie back and think of England

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                            Originally posted by ursus arctos View Post
                            It means that he expects you all to lie back and think of England
                            We've been doing that for years anyway, we're the USA' s female poodle to put it politely.

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                              That link seems to have gone now. I can guess but.

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                                this is good on Mogg

                                https://twitter.com/AnnPettifor/status/1154988653174808576?s=20

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                                  I could see Johnson trying to get out of the Good Friday Agreement

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                                    Originally posted by Hot Pepsi View Post

                                    Yeah. But maybe that would be for the best in the long-run.

                                    The world has had managed to get by without shillings and crowns and guineas. It can live without pounds.
                                    I believe the reversal of decimalisation is next on Mr Rees-Mogg Esq.'s agenda.

                                    I bet he's also the sort of cunt that writes to John and Anne Smith as "Mr and Mrs J Smith".

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                                      https://twitter.com/AdamRamsay/status/1154914011269480448?s=20

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                                        Originally posted by Eggchaser View Post

                                        I believe the reversal of decimalisation is next on Mr Rees-Mogg Esq.'s agenda.

                                        I bet he's also the sort of cunt that writes to John and Anne Smith as "Mr and Mrs J Smith".
                                        Followed by the feudal system.


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                                          Britain already has a feudal monarchy?

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                                            Scotland doesn't.


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                                              Ignore, must read full thread etc.
                                              Last edited by Walt Flanagans Dog; 27-07-2019, 11:00.

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                                                Originally posted by Walt Flanagans Dog View Post
                                                Ignore, must read full thread etc.
                                                Read full thread?

                                                Amateur!

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                                                  And another thing.

                                                  It's "MP", not "M.P."


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                                                    Originally posted by Guy Profumo View Post
                                                    And another thing.

                                                    It's "MP", not "M.P."

                                                    You're Jacob Rees Mogg aicmfp.

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