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Originally posted by Lang Spoon View PostRaab was bullying his, that's the subject of his NDA it seems. Think Petronella Wyatt having an abortion would have been at the time he was Spectator Ed and she was a columnist.
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And I'm not sneering. I was answering the question from Ursus above that post. I don't see Johnson and his sex life being at all relevant to the issue of Tory leadership in general. Though trying to get out of paying child maintenance in the case of the NDA is another matter I do feel v strongly about and something that does reflect personal character, having had personal experience of "gadfly" biological fathers.
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Originally posted by Lang Spoon View PostAnd I'm not sneering. I was answering the question from Ursus above that post. I don't see Johnson and his sex life being at all relevant to the issue of Tory leadership in general. Though trying to get out of paying child maintenance in the case of the NDA is another matter I do feel v strongly about and something that does reflect personal character, having had personal experience of "gadfly" biological fathers.
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But this was long before the "you're with us or you're against us" politics of today.
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Originally posted by E10 Rifle View Post
Really? The book Hugo Young himself wrote about Thatcherism was called "One of Us", an allusion to how Thatch' saw everyone and an explicit acknowledgment of a deep tribalism. And 1984 was arguably the most politically violent year in Britain since the Second World War. "You're with us or against us" politics was everywhere. Politics is probably more promiscuous now. I dread to think what social media would have been like during the Miners' Strike (though the state might have been rumbled for Orgreave rather earlier)
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Originally posted by Duncan Gardner View Post1972 was much more violent
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Originally posted by Satchmo Distel View PostIllustrative of this is that Blackford will get more stick from the press for calling Johnson a racist than Johnson gets for being a racist. Inverted norms.
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Originally posted by Lucy Waterman View PostThatcher’s rhetoric was more violent than Heath, which might go some way towards explaining it.
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Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View Post
Gotta say this is a very common mistake that you hear among people in the UK, particularly on the Left. They think that on some level Thatcher was worse than say ted Heath, forgetting of course that Heath locked up thousands of his own countrymen without trial, and used the army to murder unarmed protesters in the street....
Hence the more violent disproportionate reaction from the Heath regime?
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Originally posted by George C. View Post
Surely the wider point is they strongly objected to being labelled as his 'countrymen'...
Hence the more violent disproportionate reaction from the Heath regime?
I suppose It's not really a surprise that the Northern Ireland border didn't get a mention in the Brexit debate. A substantial part of the UK's political self identity is reliant on completely ignoring everything that they got up to in Ireland over the years. Honestly imagine what we would think of a Govt if they shot a dozen unarmed protestors in the street today? What would we think if victor orban's govt did that? Why should we think differently about ted heath?
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Berba's broadly right that Ted Heath (like his immediate successors Wilson and Callaghan) deserves a lot more stick as PM.
There is a rather more obvious reason why 1972 was so politically violent in this country: 'Irish Catholics' murdering hundreds of people, not to mention intimidating my granny from her home and me out of primary school...
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Originally posted by Duncan Gardner View PostBerba's broadly right that Ted Heath (like his immediate successors Wilson and Callaghan) deserves a lot more stick as PM.
There is a rather more obvious reason why 1972 was so politically violent in this country: 'Irish Catholics' murdering hundreds of people, not to mention intimidating my granny from her home and me out of primary school...
Also it's worth remembering that each of those things i mentioned simply made the situation worse. Lashing out randomly and violently may make for great headlines at home, but it doesn't help. They seemed to have learned nothing from the war of independence. They were steps on a par with burning cork city centre after yet another Ambush, or shooting up Croke Park in response to the assassination of the cairo gang. These things didn't actually achieve anything, and simply made things much worse. Governments doing terrible things to their own citizens though over prolonged periods of time is nothing particularly out of the ordinary though, the interesting thing here though is how it is dealt with. It's the amnesia that is the interesting part. You could see it when everyone was googling "Who are the DUP" after the last election. It seemed to come as a shock to a lot of people in the UK that they had a political party that seemed to be made up of Bigoted, homophobic, sectarian trolls, with a sprinkling of young earth creationists. I mean it's not like the DUP were keeping any of that old shite under wraps or anything.
The reason that this sort of thing I suppose is important, is that the methods used by Thatcher against the miners were only really possible in an atmosphere where that sort of thing was relatively commonplace in some other part of the country. Rather than treating Northern Ireland like the North of england, in a very real way they started to treat the North of england, like Northern Ireland. The thing that would concern me if I were from the UK, is that the way that various UK govts acted in Northern Ireland over the years, strikes me as indicative of the way that they would like to act on the mainland if they could get away with it. I find myself looking askance at the various pieces of judicial and security apparatus that were assembled for the fight against islamic extremism and see that they're prepared to make the same mistakes again.Last edited by The Awesome Berbaslug!!!; 20-06-2019, 11:43.
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