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1. isn't conjecture - we know that these vulnerabilities exist
2. And if my government or any other is involved in this incredibly dodgy stuff we should just accept it. "well they're all at it?"*
*It occurs that this hack may have been used both by the Saudi government in getting Khashoggi to come to the embassy, and by the Turkish government in listening in while they murdered him and cut up his body. Do you really have no problem with any of that?
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Originally posted by ad hoc View PostDo you really have no problem with any of that?
I'm not jumping to conclusions on the hack, because I don't know how the attack was carried out. And neither do you.
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Originally posted by Stumpy Pepys View Post
If your worldview is completely binary, then that's the conclusion you're going to leap to.
I'm not jumping to conclusions on the hack, because I don't know how the attack was carried out. And neither do you.
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The Israeli state uses software companies spin off from their army as proxies. If both the Financial Times and the bbc consider this Israeli action that’s good enough for me.
no doubt you will claim the use of traditional antisemitic tropes D the Israeli Government has no track record whatsoever in this field.
The BBC- very careful about what it says about Israel- is about as explicit as you can be
The Israeli army takes in every youngster, assesses their greatest strength and parks them where they can do the most national good.
The computer nerds who would otherwise be locked in their mum's basement are forced out into the light and into doing their national service in cyber-warfare.
When they leave the army, they take the skills and the connections they made into the industrial sector and they form companies like the NSO Group.
The NSO Group makes hacking tools to sell to governments to fight crime and terrorism.
But - and it is a big but - they'll only get an export licence from the Israeli government if it deems that the sale does not harm the national interest.Last edited by Nefertiti2; 15-05-2019, 09:28.
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Int addition how did this come to light?
Miscreants were first spotted exploiting the bug in early May to infect and compromise victims' smartphones, and changes were made in WhatsApp's backend software to block further attacks prior to the team rolling out fully patched versions of the app to users.
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The software has been classified by Israel as a weapon, which usually means that the state can go around selling it (the arms industry in general seems - everywhere - to have an unhealthily close relationship with government). They probably bundle it in with training in killing unarmed protesters and white phosphorus bombs.
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ad hoc, the reporting I've seen has been pretty clear (while not explicit) that the Turks had bugged the Saudi embassy in the time-honoured fashion of planting devices in the building. Similarly, I don't think that there was any hack involved in getting Khashoggi into the embassy. He had to go there to get his visa.
Though it is the case[URL=https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20190514-israel-spyware-firm-linked-to-khashoggi-case-used-to-hack-whatsapp]that other NSO Group products were used by the Saudis to monitor other dissidents' conversations with Khashoggi.
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Originally posted by ursus arctos View Postad hoc, the reporting I've seen has been pretty clear (while not explicit) that the Turks had bugged the Saudi embassy in the time-honoured fashion of planting devices in the building. Similarly, I don't think that there was any hack involved in getting Khashoggi into the embassy. He had to go there to get his visa.
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Those were the Turkish government's initial attempts to square the existence of the recordings with their insistence that they hadn't bugged the embassy.
It is difficult to be overly paranoid in these circumstances; they certainly strongly encouraged him to come at the time when the assassination squad was there.
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Originally posted by ad hoc View PostThe software has been classified by Israel as a weapon, which usually means that the state can go around selling it (the arms industry in general seems - everywhere - to have an unhealthily close relationship with government). They probably bundle it in with training in killing unarmed protesters and white phosphorus bombs.
Or foreign nationals in acts of piracy on the high seas.
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Richard Silverstein in the Nation - much of it about the connections between NSO and BlackCube and the Israeli State https://www.thenation.com/article/is...ts-repression/
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