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  • Sporting
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    I'm not sure the bad left wing results can be entirely put down to party differences given that the PR system in Madrid is pretty fair. But the messaging was dilutrd, it's true, especially with Mas Madrid and Podemos sharing almost the exact same policies...

    Finally, though, the voters have voted in a regional party which is to the right of the national party, which could have dire consequences.

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  • Sporting
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    Ayuso won because she used the popularist cry of "freedom" and kept open bars and restaurants (and guess where Covid cases are highest?)

    A recent poll in the Valencia region showed increased support for `PSOE, and here restrictions have been much stiffer.

    https://valenciaplaza.com/un-sondeo-...tat-valenciana

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  • Discordant Resonance
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    And now Iglesias has quit politics altogether, after Podemos only came third among the various left parties, and the PP almost secured a majority in the Madrid regional election:

    PP 65 (+35)
    M?s Madrid 24 (+4)
    PSOE 24 (-13)
    Vox 13 (+1)
    Podemos 10 (+3)
    Cs 0 (-26)

    The discrepancy is due to the enlargement of the regional parliament. All in all, a disastrous result for the left, which appears hopelessly divided, and hard to see how it combats the simplistic nationalism of the right when it can hardly sort out its own messaging.

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  • Sporting
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    Fascists still present here;

    https://english.elpais.com/politics/...candidate.html

    "A pre-election debate held at the Cadena SER radio network descended into chaos on Friday morning, with the Unidas Podemos candidate for the upcoming Madrid regional polls, Pablo Iglesias, walking out of the studio almost as soon as the program had begun. The left-wing politician, who recently left his role as deputy prime minister in the national government to contest the May 4 elections, opted to leave given the refusal of far-right Vox candidate Roc?o Monasterio to retract doubts she had expressed over whether death threats he had received were genuine.

    ...

    The rest of the discussion, however, continued to be dominated by Monasterio’s tone and interruptions. At one point, for example, she called on M?s Madrid’s M?nica Garc?a to “wipe the sourpuss look” off her face. Garc?a responded irately: “You are an accumulation of a lack of respect and manners!”

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  • Sporting
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    This article focuses on Barcelona but the same thing happens where I live:

    https://www.theguardian.com/global-d...crap-recyclers

    "V?ctor Mitjans, a recycling expert employed by the Barcelona Metropolitan Area, says: “The informal collectors are exploited by scrap merchants who, knowing these people are ‘illegal’, offer a price and it’s a case of take it or leave it.”

    The waste belongs to the city, so collecting it is technically theft. “The city isn’t going to prosecute these people and most are prepared to turn a blind eye to their activities,” he says."

    There's one of these scrap merchants near us. There's activity there all day.

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  • Lang Spoon
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    Dirty Scum.

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  • Diable Rouge
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    In the regional government of Murcia, PP has offered the Ministry of Education to an MP who is technically independent, but has only just resigned from Vox, which sets the template and suggests further at national level.

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  • Diable Rouge
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    Basically, his former Podemos colleague, Errej?n, has a leftist party called M?s Madrid, meaning Podemos were poised to fall below the electoral threshold. Also, Cs are falling apart in the region, with many of their representatives joining PP, who look set to form an official coalition with Vox in the capital's regional assembly.

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  • TonTon
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    Cor lummee. So what's occurring there then?

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  • Diable Rouge
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    In a shock development, Pablo Iglesias has resigned as leader of Podemos to fight in Madrid regional elections.

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  • Lang Spoon
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    They are also a better fit politically for the ERC in terms of actual governing coalition policies than the pijos in convenient centre left clothing/Pujolistas on the quiet in Junts.

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  • Diable Rouge
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    The interesting aspect is that Aragones, the ERC leader and would-be Catalan President, wants to include En Comu Podem in the next government both to broaden the scope of the coalition and attempt to achieve maximum consensus for a putative second referendum (third if you count the 2014 attempt).

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  • Lang Spoon
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    I'm sure the Guardian will be spinning similarly if the Nats and Greens win the majority of votes and seats in the Holyrood election.

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  • TonTon
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    Lordy, that is one hell of a piece.

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  • Sporting
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    Originally posted by TonTon View Post
    The Guardian is full of shit and Sanchez is a nationalist.
    This El Pais editorial (translated into English from the original) is an example of how electoral results are judged and voters' intentions, plus highly-selective assumptions re low turnouts, skewed to fit the agendas of papers such as El Pais and The Guardian, both of which I still read, but certainly not for editorial content:

    "There’s been a tactical vote in which voters have assumed that a tough opposition, even one that expresses itself in intolerant tones, is the most efficient way to counterbalance the secessionist surge."

    "The two-party governing model tried by Junts and ERC has already delivered all the paralysis and sterility that it was capable of."


    "Citizens have had their say. It is now up to political parties to seek a governing formula. It is obvious that the previous period has had pernicious results. It is to be hoped that the appropriate consequences will follow, in the best interest of the citizens of Catalonia."

    https://english.elpais.com/spanish_n...-scenario.html

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  • Sporting
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    Interesting article here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...es-pablo-hasel

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  • Sporting
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    There have been protests:

    https://english.elpais.com/society/2...rs-arrest.html

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  • ursus arctos
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    Hasel had taken refuge in the university at Lleida, but has now been arrested

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...er-pablo-hasel

    I am somewhat curious as to whether it was his stuff on Juan Carlos, ETA or the Guardia Civil that really set them off

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  • TonTon
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    Yeah, Spanish nationalism is pretty vicious and authoritarian.

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  • Diable Rouge
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    I see on Euronews that a Spanish rapper has been sentenced to nine months for insulting the monarchy, which seems as laughable as a blasphemy charge in any modern state.

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  • TonTon
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    The Guardian is full of shit and Sanchez is a nationalist.

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  • Lang Spoon
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    But but the Guardian was saying a few months back how Sanchez had skilfully neutralised the Nationalist movement.

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  • TonTon
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    I think it's the first time pro-indy parties have won a majority of votes, as well as seats.

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  • ursus arctos
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    Surprised that Girona is only two to one

    It seems rather more single minded that that

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  • Sporting
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    Support for independence parties in the four Catalan provinces;

    Barcelona:47.3%
    Lleida: 66.8%
    Tarragona: 53.5%
    Girona: 67%

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