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    Maybe they're just mildly pro-Catalan independence but really like Vox's other policies.

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      I believe that it actually is based on how voters in Catalunya voted in the recent elections, rather than their future intentions as regards party.

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        I think the simpler explanation is that they are awful and ridiculous people.

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          The Catalan independence movement does not have an extreme-right wing as far as I can tell.

          Oh it almost certainly has. Every independence movement does. It's just not that easy to detect because the language they use before independence is a bit different. It wasn't necessarily very obvious during the irish war of independence, that a lot of the people involved were going to wind up in a fascist militia, less than a decade and a half later.

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            They're probably scousers too.

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              <Applause>

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                Angry left wing populism and angry right wing populism are very frequently two sides of the same coin. History would suggest that people make the leap a lot quicker than you'd think, it just depends on the level of anger. I'm extremely pessimistic about how things are going to turn out.

                Also there's always a extreme right wing tinge in every independence movement. Something to do with the whole nationalism side of things.

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                  Last edited by DCI Harry Batt; 10-05-2019, 21:54.

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                    Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View Post
                    Angry left wing populism and angry right wing populism are very frequently two sides of the same coin. History would suggest that people make the leap a lot quicker than you'd think, it just depends on the level of anger. I'm extremely pessimistic about how things are going to turn out.

                    Also there's always a extreme right wing tinge in every independence movement. Something to do with the whole nationalism side of things.
                    In fairness, the SNP purged that element fairly swiftly after their own flirtation with fascism during the Thirties, and the most virulently racial the Welsh became was the burning out of English holiday homes during the Seventies. That said, the current Catalan leader, Quim Torra, has provoked controversy over previous ethnographic scribblings concerning Castilian speakers, and Araña was certainly a blood and soil advocate in his foundation myth for Basque nationalism.
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                      Ok, well, it was an interesting thread for a while. I look forward to the next one.

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                        Originally posted by Diable Rouge View Post
                        In fairness, the SNP purged that element fairly swiftly after their own flirtation with fascism during the Thirties, and the most virulently racial the Welsh became was the burning out of English holiday homes during the Seventies. That said, the current Catalan leader, Quim Torra, has provoked controversy over previous ethnographic scribblings concerning Castilian speakers, and Araña was certainly a blood and soil advocate in his foundation myth for Basque nationalism.
                        Don't forget how we became essentially a post war refuge for a lot of leaders of a variety of independence movements that may have over enthusiastically embraced nazism, on the premise of the "enemy's enemy" principle. Would it be fair to describe Ruairi O'Bradaigh and republican sinn fein as catholic fascists? Sean South definitely was. And before anyone thinks that I'm accusing the Catalan independence movement of all being nazis, no I'm not. Just that it would be foolish to expect an independence movement to be free of some far right elements.
                        Last edited by The Awesome Berbaslug!!!; 10-05-2019, 23:33.

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                          Ailtire na hAiseirí, led by Gearóid Ó Cuinneagáin was the most infamous example, and Oliver J Flanagan was a notorious anti-Semite before (and presumably after) he joined Fine Gael.

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                            https://www.ft.com/content/de3d6896-...d-7c18c0ea0201

                            Catalan parliament refuses to approve Sanchez's choice to lead the senate.

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                              Promising::

                              https://elpais.com/politica/2019/05/...42_760302.html

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                                Indeed, though the cities are rarely the problem

                                Light Green is a strange colour to use for Vox. I would have them be black or brown.

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                                  The following link could easily be placed in the WTF thread:

                                  https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2...g-power-switch


                                  Isabel Díaz Ayuso, who is expected to become the new Popular party (PP) president of the Madrid region, believes night-time congestion makes the city special and has pledged to reverse a project known as Madrid Central, which has dramatically cut urban pollution.

                                  The PP’s mayor-in-waiting, José Luis Martínez-Almeida, under whose remit the scheme falls, vowed that his first action would be to “address” Madrid Central. “It was one of the pillars of our campaign,” he said. The PP would instead prioritise street cleanliness and conservation, he added

                                  During the election campaign, Ayuso told El Pais: “I do not think [traffic jams] are a reason for enjoyment but it is a sign [of the] identity of our city, that the street is always alive.”

                                  Congestion is “part of the life in Madrid”, she said, adding that the city’s nightlife “goes hand in hand with traffic jams”.

                                  A reversal of the popular Madrid Central system would mark the first time a major European city had turned the clock back on clean air reform. The scheme has attracted the ire of conservatives as a totem of the outgoing Mas Madrid movement and its leftwing leader, Manuela Carmena.



                                  Mind you, with regards to the recent elections, there are still lots of wheeler-dealing to be done, compromises to be made and decisions to be taken all over the country:

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                                  https://elpais.com/elpais/2019/05/31...73_006357.html

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                                    The Supreme Court has enjoined the removal of Franco's remains from the Valle de los Caidos, which had been scheduled for Monday. This to allow the family's application for a permanent injunction to proceed.

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                                      Sanchez has admitted defeat (or alternatively, refused a coalition with Podemos), and fresh elections will be held on the 10th of November.

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                                        Jesus fuckin Christ

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                                          PP/Vox/racist 'centrists' coalition so.

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                                            Neither PSOE nor Podemos have covered themselves in glory, if truth be told.

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                                              Classic left party bollox so.

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                                                Yep

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                                                  Originally posted by Lang Spoon View Post
                                                  Classic left party bollox so.
                                                  And predictably, Podemos appear to be imploding, with the former Madrid affiliates planning to run as a separate party, with other regional groupings in Valencia and Andalusia considering their options.

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                                                    Más Madrid confirm the decision, which can only benefit PSOE on the left, and the PP more generally.

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