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    #51
    [URL]https://twitter.com/xruiztru/status/1122599130927456259[/URL]

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      #52
      El Pais has a helpful graphic of possible coalitions (top right of the home page)

      The only likely grouping that clearly exceeds the 176 needed for an absolute majority is what they call PSOE + UP + INDEP. + NO INDEP, which manifests its internal conflicts on its face. PSOE + UP + INDEP gets to 174.

      Hovering over the relevant bar gives you the components of each grouping.

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        #53
        Originally posted by ursus arctos View Post
        El Pais has a helpful graphic of possible coalitions (top right of the home page)

        The only likely grouping that clearly exceeds the 176 needed for an absolute majority is what they call PSOE + UP + INDEP. + NO INDEP, which manifests its internal conflicts on its face. PSOE + UP + INDEP gets to 174.

        Hovering over the relevant bar gives you the components of each grouping.
        The PNV have done deals with both blocs in the past, so should be on board - Bildu would be unlikely (to put it mildly), and Sanchez will be reluctant to do a deal with the Catalans, so may stick on 170, and dare the rest to vote him down again.

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          #54
          Didn't those who voted him down do ok tonight?

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            #55
            That exit poll more or less doubled the real no. of Vox seats...

            one thing is clear/ there will be no PP govt!
            (AND Rayo beat Madrid!)

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              #56
              Originally posted by TonTon View Post
              Didn't those who voted him down do ok tonight?
              Yes, but joining forces with Vox, even in a no-confidence vote might stick in the craw.

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                #57
                https://twitter.com/sundersays/status/1122609326127046656?s=19

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                  #58
                  Sadly the simplest numerical coalition is PSOE + Cs, hence my comment about them rapidly remembering their support for gay rights in the next few weeks

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                    #59
                    With less than 1.5% remaining to be counted, the left gets another seat that puts PSOE + UP + NO INDEP within one seat of an absolute majority.

                    The PSOE has also won an absolute majority in the Senate, with 123 of the 208 seats.
                    Last edited by ursus arctos; 28-04-2019, 22:01.

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                      #60
                      “No indep” = PNV, canaries, cantabrians &..?

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                        #61
                        PSOE
                        UP
                        COMPROMIS 2019 (Valencians)
                        PNV
                        CCA- PNC (Canarians)
                        EN MAREA (Galician Podemos, sort of)
                        PNC (Cantabrians)

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                          #62
                          Originally posted by ursus arctos View Post

                          The PSOE has also won an absolute majority in the Senate, with 123 of the 208 seats.
                          The Senate has 266 in total, though I assume PSOE would have at least 11 of the appointed seats.

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                            #63
                            Surprise! (?)

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                              #64
                              Sorry, I was going off of the El Pais graphic, which only reflects elected seats.

                              The PSOE has 18 of the appointed ones, so that gets them to 141 of 266 (with 88 percent counted).
                              Last edited by ursus arctos; 28-04-2019, 22:30.

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                                #65
                                Originally posted by Felicity, I guess so View Post
                                Sadly the simplest numerical coalition is PSOE + Cs, hence my comment about them rapidly remembering their support for gay rights in the next few weeks
                                It appears Rivera is playing the long game, saying he'll stay in opposition - presumably to finish off the PP.

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                                  #66
                                  PSOE will not pact with Cs. My guess is that there will be no formal pact and that they'll rely on Podemos and other small parties (including the independence ones when the legislation is not too controversial) to get their policies through. The right wing parties certainly do not want another election so soon,

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                                    #67
                                    Meanwhile, Spain's Electoral Commission has banned Puigdemont and other exiled politicians from standing for the European Parliament.

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                                      #68
                                      Most Socialist gains came from previous abstentions and Podemos, while PP votes leaked in equal proportion to Vox and C's:

                                      http://twitter.com/electo_mania/status/1123175537508274176

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                                        #69
                                        Catalan and Basque suspicions can only increase, as the highest Vox percentages in Madrid occurred in a Guardia Civil station and a military base:

                                        http://twitter.com/quique_mateo/status/1123870546066800640

                                        http://twitter.com/Zarith/status/1123873373824737280

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                                          #70
                                          And this is glorious for fans of both maps and political analysis - results down to the micro-level for all of Spain.

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                                            #71
                                            Originally posted by Diable Rouge View Post
                                            And this is glorious for fans of both maps and political analysis - results down to the micro-level for all of Spain.

                                            That is indeed excellent. Vox seem to be very popular in Murcia and around Almeria and Avila.

                                            Actually, when I zoomed in it became apparent that there were quite a few areas where they were the most popular party.
                                            Last edited by Nocturnal Submission; 02-05-2019, 20:11.

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                                              #72
                                              Prob v popular among Almeria Big Farmers employing mostly undocumented N African Labour no doubt.

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                                                #73
                                                Big Farmers being the same type of cunts the world over.

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                                                  #74
                                                  Probably more likely to be locals upset by the influx of foreign workers than those employing them and profiting from their labour, I'd have thought.

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                                                    #75
                                                    Originally posted by Nocturnal Submission View Post
                                                    Probably more likely to be locals upset by the influx of foreign workers than those employing them and profiting from their labour, I'd have thought.
                                                    Appears so, but if Almería's an indicator, most of these areas were previously PP strongholds. Urgh - PP has ruled Murcia since 1995, going by Wikipedia.
                                                    Last edited by Diable Rouge; 02-05-2019, 20:54.

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