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    Piers Morgan - Transphobe

    I ought to say I'm shocked but this is all too predictable:

    https://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/c...-a4096266.html

    #2
    I fail to see how science hasn't mastered the technology required to fire this suppurating arsehole into the heart of the sun. Get to it, science!

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      #3
      He is loathsome, obviously, but GMB deserve equal criticism for keeping him on hand as their pet controversialist and trying to explain away his endless crass interventions as Piers being Piers, thrilling unpredictability or whatever the lame excuse of the week is. Having someone who ostensibly clears the low bar of being less repulsive sitting next to him doesn't get them off the hook.

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        #4
        Co-host Susanna Reid suggested male and female categories be scrapped
        I assume a lot of people are reaching that conclusion, and I'm wondering 1) if it's realistic and 2) whether it would create pressure to distribute awards evenly among the genders. I'm for scrapping music awards altogether, seems like a racket.

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          #5
          Popular music still follows the gender binary quite strictly even though individuals have been bending their own genders from Bowie and Prince onwards. On the other hand, so much music today is done by collaboration that it's harder to discern who's making the most creative input.

          In addition, these baubles are largely just based on record sales so will be market driven, and the markets are still segregated into male and female buyers who support acts by gender often.

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            #6
            from Little Richard onwards

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              #7
              Yes, apologies. You could also make a case for female blues singers who were openly lesbian (Ma Rainey).

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                #8
                As it pertains to PM, I really wish people would continue replying to everything he says or tweets with 'Shouldn't you be in jail?'

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Benjm View Post
                  He is loathsome, obviously, but GMB deserve equal criticism for keeping him on hand as their pet controversialist and trying to explain away his endless crass interventions as Piers being Piers, thrilling unpredictability or whatever the lame excuse of the week is. Having someone who ostensibly clears the low bar of being less repulsive sitting next to him doesn't get them off the hook.
                  This is what we do in this country, though. From churlish 'rentagobs' all the way up to out-and-out racist hatemongers, if it's believed that they can shift sh*te product, then they'll be employed for eye-watering amounts. All under the ever-more-tattered banner of 'free speech'.

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                    #10
                    1983 was the turning point: breakfast TV starting just after the Falklands turned the next election into a Tory certainty. The ITV version quickly deciding to go tabloid.

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                      #11
                      If Piers Morgan believes so strongly in the sanctity of what goes down on your birth cert, why isn't he still called Piers O'Meara?

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                        #12
                        Not to say that an American conservative media figure would be afraid of saying something equally offensive, but what is it about Britain that has made transphobia so big among public figures and others? We don't have celebrities/public figures outside of the conservative outrage sphere who have taken to being full-time transphobes like Graham Linehan and all of the TERFs with newspaper columns. Is because the tabloid press is more big there than in the US, and it's created a feedback loop of panic?

                        It really seems from afar that there are a large group of people that have lost their minds over trans people being open about their existence.

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                          #13
                          I really hope the rumors are true that Arthur Matthews was the real creative force behind Father Ted. Linehan was a shit journalist at Select in the early 90s, I'd like to think the terrible Alexis Sayle sitcom in fin de siecle Paris was his baby. A massive massive arsehole. Him and Wings Over Scotland are some of the worst Terf obsessives going.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Satchmo Distel View Post
                            In addition, these baubles are largely just based on record sales so will be market driven, and the markets are still segregated into male and female buyers who support acts by gender often.
                            Do you mean that women buy records by women and men by men? Is there any data on this? That doesn't seem an obvious fact to me at all.

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                              #15
                              I don't know about women, but I can think of a lot of men that might fall into that sort of trap. Yer sort of aging Guitar indie types.

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                                #16
                                Yeah but if we're going by broad stereotypes you've also got a certain type of gay men listening to almost nothing but female pop singers. I imagine it's more likely to map onto the gender balance of whatever musical genres a person likes, rather than their own gender.

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                                  #17
                                  Yeah, fair enough. I think that the real issue is that it's so trivially easy to listen to music that you'd have to assume that the default is that people listen to all sorts of stuff that they might never have gone near at any point. And Blondie. Everyone loves Blondie .My parents love Blondie.

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                                    #18
                                    Inca, this relatively recent NYT op ed tries to answer your question

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                                      #19
                                      Thanks. Ken spoke about the issue briefly on a Second Captains last week in a discussion about trans athletes, and remarked how there is almost no controversy around trans identity in Ireland.

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                                        #20
                                        Can we put up a content warning for transphobia on the link posted by Central Rain?

                                        i mean, i think it lays out the Terf position more accurately than the NYT piece, and if you can read it critically it might be worth looking at, but it also repeats some anti-trans slurs and it's quite violent in its hostility. Also note the blogger's nonchalant response in the comments to a supportive message from a white supremacist.

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                                          #21
                                          I think the idea that "it has largely been confined to Twitter" is...well, a bit of a stretch, at best.

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                                            #22
                                            (and yeah, that's a fucking horrible piece)

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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View Post
                                              I don't know about women, but I can think of a lot of men that might fall into that sort of trap. Yer sort of aging Guitar indie types.
                                              I can think of a lot that 'might', as well.

                                              Similarly, there's a nebulous school of belief that only women listen to Tori Amos or Alanis Morissette.

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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Fussbudget View Post
                                                Yeah but if we're going by broad stereotypes you've also got a certain type of gay men listening to almost nothing but female pop singers. I imagine it's more likely to map onto the gender balance of whatever musical genres a person likes, rather than their own gender.
                                                But a genre like boybands is bought predominantly by girls not just on its musical merits but on the gender image of the male performers so it's not just women buying music by women but also women buying men for what they offer as safe romantic fantasy objects.

                                                In addition many acts are marketed in ways that emphasize gender: hyper-masculine hip hop or hyper-sexualized hyper-feminine R&B. That's partly for same-gender identification (role models) but also for heterosexual fantasy to some degree.

                                                However, I'd agree that some fans do like gender blurring, as we saw in the too brief Lady Gaga phase of 2009-2011; and obviously Bowie's Ziggy period.
                                                Last edited by Satchmo Distel; 22-03-2019, 09:19.

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                                                  #25
                                                  Some musical genres tend towards a gender-specific audience but most don't, I would have thought.

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