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    It's just too terrible. Shooters attack two mosques during Friday prayers.
    Centre of New Zealand city locked down and four arrested as police find several explosive devices
    Last edited by Sits; 15-03-2019, 05:19.

    #2
    There's two siblings work in our office who are from Christchurch. It's not a big place; they have friends messaging them who've seen this stuff going on today. Horrific.

    Where does tee rex live?

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      #3
      Auckland (thanks). I don't think anyone I know is affected, although no names or numbers of fatalities have been released yet.

      It's one of those times where you spend 10 minutes following every news outlet, then feel sick of it and want to do something else, then can't concentrate and go back to the repeated and often unhelpful "news". And social media is ... well, we all know what it is.

      Just all too horrible, and familiar, but here instead of "offshore", where the bad stuff happens.

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        #4
        It still bothers me immensely the level of detail media releases about the criminals in these situations. There were extracts from his "live stream" and his full 37 page "manifesto". Hopefully now taken down, not certain. Precisely why he had the names of assailants who committed similar atrocities in Canada and Italy written on his gun - because he knew all about what they'd done. And so it goes on.

        Reproduce nothing from the perpetrators, report the facts people need to know, that's it.

        But that's just shouting at a cloud.

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          #5
          This is awful news to wake up to.

          Sits, you're right - the media today are highly irresponsible in what they report. But, we're in the clickbait age and they're doing what they've been conditioned to do. It's secondary to the horror of what's happened but it grates nonetheless.

          Best wishes to any NZ OTFers, Tee rex included.

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            #6
            Fuck these people and fuck everyone who spreads racist bullshit about Muslims online. And fuck those (I'm looking at you Zuckerberg) who offer them a platform to spread their poisonous vile murderous racist fucked up lies

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              #7
              Fucking hell. Too horrible for words. As Southdown Rebel said, best wishes to our NZ OTFers.

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                #8
                Not that any life is worth more than any other but the Bangladesh cricket team were on their way and less than five minutes from the mosque. They were the lucky ones. It's a horrible story and my heart goes out to everyone affected.

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                  #9
                  A tiny shaft of light in the darkness:

                  In possibly a world first, a NZ National (=Tory) MP tells an Australian fascist senator to "fuck off". And yes, it is a quote.

                  https://twitter.com/cjsbishop/status...49334483083265

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                    #10
                    This is beyond horrifying, 49 now confirmed deaths.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by tee rex View Post

                      It's one of those times where you spend 10 minutes following every news outlet, then feel sick of it and want to do something else, then can't concentrate and go back to the repeated and often unhelpful "news".
                      This. I deeply regret not turning off the television on 9/11and going and doing something else. Instead I watched the whole damn thing unfold and wish I hadn't.

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                        #12
                        Turned on the radio while driving home from school this afternoon and assumed that the affable Jesse Mulligan was talking about something that had happened in the USA. Still finding it hard to really comprehend this. Lots of friends in Christchurch, but very unlikely any of them would be directly affected.

                        NZ is often represented as some sort of slightly silly semi-paradise but it has plenty of dark corners and diseased minds, so I'm not massively surprised that there were neo-Nazi shitburgers scheming something like this up. I'm slightly surprised by their ability to carry out a fairly complex plan, however.

                        I did briefly entertain the idea of going down to a mosque here in Palmerston North as a gesture of solidarity, but they put out a request for everyone just to stay the fuck away from mosques. Probably a good idea - I suppose a six foot white skinhead wandering up would probably not be well received, at the moment. Remember "I'll ride with you" following one of the Melbourne atrocities? Notice the pattern? After all the various acts committed by white male turds I'm wondering - as a white male - if we need something similar. How could anyone feel comfortable having us about?

                        Maybe the more extreme fringe of the radical feminist movement was right after all.
                        Last edited by Lurgee; 15-03-2019, 11:28.

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                          #13
                          It's an atrocity. We use that word lightly these days, but that's what it is That it was so well planned and premeditated seems all the worse.

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                            #14
                            They seem to be making a point of choosing deliberately soft targets - a black church (wanker in the US), a synagogue (wanker in the US), an island full of children in the youth wing of a socialist party (wanker in Sweden) and mosques (wankers in NZ). I don't think you have to be very clever to work out the pattern here.

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                              #15
                              Norway, not Sweden

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                                #16
                                They all look the same to me.

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                                  #17
                                  https://twitter.com/stuartmillar159/status/1106542262526320641

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                                    #18
                                    In Britain The Spectator the BBC and The Conservative give regular platforms to those who express hatred of Muslims or Islam or minimise or deny there's such a thing as Islamphobia.

                                    Douglas Murray

                                    regular writer for the Spectator. Frequent guest on Newsnight

                                    https://twitter.com/steveplrose/status/1106463631221374976

                                    Melanie Phillips

                                    permanently on BBC's the Moral maze, columnist in the Daily Mail. occasional appearance of BBC news and current affairs shows.

                                    https://twitter.com/fishplums/status/1106465512802959360


                                    Rod Liddle

                                    the Sun. The Spectator The BBC


                                    https://twitter.com/loveinheadscarf/status/1028023661209550849

                                    Then there are the politicians

                                    Boris Johnson

                                    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1026442237662646273

                                    ZAc Goldsmith

                                    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1029761973746102273


                                    I could go on but I'm too depressed,

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                                      #19
                                      I've come around to the view that campaigning against saturation media coverage of these atrocities would probably be a more effective deterrent than campaigning against the gun lobby.

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                                        #20
                                        Does New Zealand have much of a gun lobby?

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                                          #21
                                          Same as you all said.

                                          I know the killer is an Aussie, but I spent one night in Christchurch, got a taxi from the hotel first thing in the morning, and practically the first thing the white taxi driver said was "yeh, it's an OK place but we're getting a lot of IMMIGRANTS coming here." I shut him up but it left a sour taste.

                                          My friends in Auckland are "mixed" (brown Dad, and one child, white Mum; also a black/white couple) and they said that was quite typical these days. They experience some racism, not on the scale of Australia, or that the Maoris get.
                                          Last edited by MsD; 15-03-2019, 14:58.

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                                            #22
                                            That bellingcat link is really interesting.

                                            I worked it out because I wondered how many Muslims are in New Zealand. 46,000 on the last census so these evil people have killed 0.1% of the Muslim population of New Zealand today

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                                              #23
                                              E10, enough of one to limit reform after the last massacre.
                                              Last edited by ursus arctos; 15-03-2019, 15:25.

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                                                #24
                                                My point wasn't about the existence or not of a gun lobby in New Zealand, it was that terrorist-style mass shootings are a form of gun violence unlikely to be stopped by tougher gun laws, yet they generate the most calls for gun control (e.g. Parkland or Las Vegas). Reducing the media sensationalism would be a better strategy.

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                                                  #25
                                                  Except the semi automatic weapons of course


                                                  [URL]https://twitter.com/stevenicksmith/status/1106579773755666433?s=21[/URL]

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