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    Forget Martyrs, Remember Victims - Bloody Sunday Prosecutions

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    Last edited by Johnny Velvet; 05-11-2021, 12:10.

    #2
    God reading that is so incredibly similar to reading stuff about the IDF killing Palestinians. The cover ups, the lies, the belief that if the army killed someone that actually proves they were a terrorist. Israel's murder is on a more industrial scale but the basics are all the same.

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      #3
      Agreed. However has Israel an equivalent of Saville's Inquiry Report or Cameron's resulting apology?

      I expect the soldiers referred will be tried. And as El Guapo suggested on a parallel thread, they're unlikely to be convicted. Too long has passed, witnesses died and so on.

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        #4
        Hope you're not including me in that catch-all, Reg. The slogans you list are widely used to refer the NI conflict, and don't necessarily reflect moral cowardice. Just to be clear though, I think trying the soldiers in this case is the right moral and legal decision.

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          #5
          Thanks. I think you should give some names or at least organisations though.

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            #6
            Most tabloid MSM for starters.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Duncan Gardner View Post
              Agreed. However has Israel an equivalent of Saville's Inquiry Report or Cameron's resulting apology?
              Of course not.

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                #8
                Soldier F to be prosecuted for two murders and 4 attempted murders. Nobody else to be prosecuted

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                  #9
                  I'm not holding my breath on this one, MOD paying his legal costs.

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                    #10
                    And both Bloody Sunday and the massacres of Palestinians elicit similar whataboutery from moral cowards.
                    Yes, though I think a lot of the centrists who routinely play the "but Hamas …" card to justify their indifference to Palestinian suffering would balk at being told they're Bloody Sunday apologists. They may have been discriminated-against bog-trotters in Derry, but at least they were white discriminated-against bog-trotters.

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                      #11
                      Thing is, the Right are already hopping and raging that there's going to be even one prosecution.

                      Here's Jonny Mercer MP on it: "An abject failure to govern and legislate, on our watch as a Conservative administration. When I speak of a chasm between those who serve and their political masters in this country, I mean this."

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Reginald Christ
                        If you're looking for a exhaustive list of individuals and organisations with attributable quotes and citations DG, I can't give that to you
                        I didn't ask for or expect that.Rather, anyone post-Saville making those comments specifically about Bloody Sunday. E10 mentions Mercer (ex Army Tory MP).



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                          #13
                          Regarding Dawn Foster's tweet, does that mean Soldier F is the only person being prosecuted because he was the only one who consistently lied throughout the inquiry? Immunity seems like a bloody good reason to fess up.

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                            #14
                            Mercer is dog whistling.

                            I genuinely can't believe a bloke who did 3 tours in Afghanistan is comparing British soldiers, killing British civilians, on British streets, with ex-service people sleeping on British streets.

                            What an idiot.
                            Last edited by NickSTFU; 14-03-2019, 18:39.

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                              #15
                              He certainly sounds a Grade A cockend.

                              BSun comments are all over social media btw.

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                                #16
                                I didn't know what was more shocking, the facts in this article or the identity of the writer and publication :

                                [URL]https://twitter.com/spectator/status/1106137147998961664?s=21[/URL]



                                I've clearly been ignorant of Murray's previous writing on the subject which I must remedy.

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                                  #17
                                  Yeah it shocked me he hasn't taken the Brendan O'Neill route either.

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                                    #18
                                    Is the claim in the tweet backed up by anything in the link that I'm missing?

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                                      #19
                                      this piece about Frank Kitson British Army "counter insurgency" specialist in the British colonies of Kenya and Malysia and Northern Ireland and theorist of colonial war who inspired David Petraeus is really worth a read.
                                      Last edited by Nefertiti2; 16-03-2019, 13:31.

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                                        #20
                                        Thanks Nef. Good article from Ramsay

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                                          #21
                                          Eamonn McCann
                                          I am coming to the conclusion that the minimum force necessary to achieve a restoration of law and order is to shoot selected ringleaders amongst the DYH [Derry Young Hooligans].”

                                          Maj Gen Robert Ford, commander of land forces NI, 3 weeks before Bloody Sunday
                                          Last edited by Nefertiti2; 17-03-2019, 09:28.

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