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  • Nefertiti2
    started a topic Israel

    Israel

    needs it's own thread, Not about Netanyahu. Not about antisemitism. Not about Palestine- or not only.

    This made me think it

    https://twitter.com/ml_maria_/status/1102495289104044032

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    [URL]https://twitter.com/danielseidemann/status/1162622304653905921?s=21[/URL]

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  • Nefertiti2
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    [URL]https://twitter.com/aoc/status/1162208463931318272?s=21[/URL]

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  • Satchmo Distel
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    It's an encapsulation of turning all people of Palestinian descent into stateless persons; a new form of genocide in the sense that the modern world is organized into states so not having a state makes your survival as a people untenable. And it's deliberate, not genocide as unintentional by-product.

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  • Antepli Ejderha
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    Trump had told Rashida Tlaib to go home. Perhaps when he found that's what she was planning on doing he asked for her to be barred entry to Israel.

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  • WOM
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    This tells you everything you need to know about both the men in this story. May they both spend their final years behind bars, which will of course never happen....

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  • ursus arctos
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    Even AIPAC thinks this is a bad move

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  • Gangster Octopus
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    Israel bans Democrats at Trump's say-so.

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  • Nefertiti2
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    [URL]https://twitter.com/asafronel/status/1160600358302994432?s=21[/URL]

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  • Tactical Genius
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    I am learning alot here from you both, keep it coming.

    I think the West gave South Africa a pass for decades too. This was one of the reasons many African and Asian countries boycotted the 1966 World cup and the 1976 Olympics over the West maintaining sporting relations with Apartheid South Africa well into the 1970's (and official tours in the 1980's).

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  • Reginald Christ
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    Sorry if this has been posted already, I've been away for a few days.

    https://twitter.com/Mr_Considerate/status/1157929377415540736?s=20

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  • Antepli Ejderha
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    https://972mag.com/israel-no-excepti...rtheid/142412/

    And another.

    But I guess I'm preaching to the converted on this thread.

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  • Antepli Ejderha
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    https://972mag.com/nation-state-law-...rtheid/142505/

    An excellent read.

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  • ad hoc
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    Hang on, found it

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  • ad hoc
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    There's a great clip going round of Gideon Levy speaking at an event a few days ago talking about how anyone supporting the "two state solution" (quote marks very much intentional) is by now part of the problem. I've only seen it on facebook or I';d like it here.

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  • Nefertiti2
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    How it might have been different

    “The future of Palestine must be founded, legally speaking, as a ‘bi-national state,’” Shumsky quotes from a 1926 article by Jabotinsky, the ideological leader of Revisionist Zionism. “And not just Palestine. Every land that has an ethnic minority, of even the smallest kind, would need, after all, according to our deeply held views, to adapt its legal regime to that fact and become a bi-tri-national or quadri-national state.”

    The Land of Israel, Ben-Gurion wrote in a 1930 article, “will be a federal state…in such a way that at no point in time will there be Arab rule over Jews or Jewish rule over Arabs.” A year later, the text of that article became the platform for Mapai, Ben Gurion’s party, which dominated Israeli politics from 1948 until 1977.

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  • Antepli Ejderha
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    I read about this today along with other acts of seizure. I didn't know how complicit some groups were in all of this, for example the Greek Orthodox Church.

    Boycotting this apartheid state is one course of action but it needs to be a complete boycott.

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  • ad hoc
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    I've more or less reached the point now where I feel like anyone not actively boycotting Israel is supporting all of this

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  • Nefertiti2
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    [URL]https://twitter.com/jehadabusalim/status/1153363792409051136?s=21[/URL]

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  • Guy Profumo
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    https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/polit...a-state-419511

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  • Guy Profumo
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    Hurrah for Sheffield - still wedded to the Agit Prop and gesture politics of the 1970s

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  • Antepli Ejderha
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    It is apartheid. It's an apartheid state. It's so similar to apartheid South Africa.

    There's also a strong element of fascism thrown in there. What the Nazis did to the Jews before the Holocaust is being recreated in Israel and the Occupied Territories.

    And almost every single western government has been complicit in this.

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  • Nefertiti2
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    But in this case it’s very specific.Legally enshrined racist discrimination where two people living 100 meters apart have different rights in law because they are of different ethnicities or religions. An Israeli settler who might be born in Melbourne or Kazakhstan has the right to vote and full legal rights. A Palestinian whose family has lived on the same land for generations has none.

    there is another historical precedent one can use, but that understandably is eschewed.

    Calling the situation in the Occupied Territories apartheid seems absolutely appropriate. The only reason not to make the comparison is that Likud supporters don’t like it.

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  • Satchmo Distel
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    Comparisons are OK provided they are not reductive and don't obscure differences. I think we have to use them cautiously, otherwise we can be accused of sloganeering, where the phrase apartheid or fascism stands in place of proper explanations and analysis.

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  • Nefertiti2
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    Why should one not make comparisons when they are relevant and appropriate?

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