Israel

[Antepli Ejderha]

https://twitter.com/marcowenjones/status/1779416573360427165?t=MRiLjR2_P-LhIY-e2tXgKQ&s=19

This seems about right.

[G-Man]

If only the UN were to say: "Sure, we'll act. Once you've given us satisfaction on the countless resolutions we've passed against your conduct in territories that aren't yours."

[Incandenza]

look who likes the UN now

https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/1779306304655249759

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

Iran is quite close to israel, in the same way that Galway is quite close to Rome. I'm kind of impressed that these drones can fly that far.

[Antepli Ejderha]

The reports from Iran said they'd fired them and they take 12 minutes to reach Israel, that's not happened.

[San Bernardhinault]

Yeah. I saw a couple of reports that made me wonder that, too. Fly a bunch of cheap slow moving drones across airspace the US can fly fighter jets in, have the US know days in advance it's going to happen. They can get shot down, Iran looks like it's responded to Netanyahu's shithousery, the US looks like it's "protecting" Israel. It would make sense as a de-escalation.

But I'd wait until later to know if that's actually true. If Iran was launching ballistic missiles, they'd wait until the cheap drones were in Israeli airspace - the large number of drones would be designed to be overwhelming or confusing to Israeli iron-dome style air defences which could create an opportunity for missiles to get through.

I hope it's the former.

[Antepli Ejderha]

https://twitter.com/hdagres/status/1779273380027408588?t=CaM88vVvM8_F9XJI-ZGY-g&s=19

It's really looking like this is gave saving attack by Iran.

If Biden reins in Netanyahu then this can be descalated. That's the big if.

Iran had already informed the US.

[Sean of the Shed]

Yeah, he's definitely the unpredictable element in this.

[Antepli Ejderha]

It feels like the drone attack has been deliberately telegraphed so Israel can repel it yet Iran can still say they retaliated. They will probably also claim that America thwarted their attack rather than Israel. It's all a lot of meaningless posturing.

I sincerely hope you are right. Similar to the attacks on the US bases after the assassination of Qasem Soleimani.

However Netanyahu is less likely to play ball.

[Antepli Ejderha]

https://twitter.com/mehdirhasan/status/1779251517456793826?t=T-0LAG7VvbaonGjb2cw6Kg&s=19

Netanyahu doing everything to portray Israel as the victim

[Sean of the Shed]

It feels like the drone attack has been deliberately telegraphed so Israel can repel it yet Iran can still say they retaliated. They will probably also claim that America thwarted their attack rather than Israel. It's all a lot of meaningless posturing.

[Antepli Ejderha]

https://twitter.com/arash_tehran/status/1779273743874785711?t=l98oEH9t-qnHCo_cZwJJEw&s=19

Like after the assassination of Qasem Soleimani

[Antepli Ejderha]

If it's just drones then there's a chance to desculate, if it's ballistic missiles then Israel and others will retaliate.

[Antepli Ejderha]

https://twitter.com/DanielSeidemann/status/1779234167852589557?t=D3GsoQFklNQwx0_QtOqXtA&s=19

Not being reported on AJ yet.

[Antepli Ejderha]

RTE saying that the drones are merely en route to Israel, and it'll still take some hours to reach its airspace.

AJ saying the same, and some seem to have been shot down on their way. However there are missiles too.

All believed to be synchronised.

[Discordant Resonance]

RTE saying that the drones are merely en route to Israel, and it'll still take some hours to reach its airspace.

[Antepli Ejderha]

https://twitter.com/joedyke/status/1779244384032043161?t=vn1qCGclfWIQnqXW0v3Z0w&s=19

Used in Ukraine.

[Antepli Ejderha]

And their are huge pogroms in the occupied West Bank. Really, really scary times.

[Antepli Ejderha]

Iran retaliates with drone strikes, too early to say what they've hit.

[Nefertiti2]

There is a call for a boycott of Germany

https://twitter.com/GhassanAbuSitt1/status/1778778806276276250

[S. aureus]

Should I be re-thinking my summer vacation plans?

[Nefertiti2]

The Police in Berlin have just closed the Palestinian Congress with immediate effect from which they earlier banned Dr Ghassan Abu Sitta was banned earlier

https://twitter.com/hebh_jamal/status/1778808240878346688

There's a demonstration outside the German Embassy in London at 7 pm this evening if anyone's free to go

[ooh aah]

I've always refused to invoke Nazis in illustrating the crimes of Israel, even when terms like "Lebensraum" are applicable in a discussion about ethnic cleansing. It is rarely helpful to invoke Nazis in any discussion, and for someone of German heritage to do so in relation to Israel is loaded with obvious difficulties,

But when Israel is increasingly acting like Nazi Germany, I fear my principles are becoming rapidly outdated and redundant.

I don't think the Nazi thing is helpful either. While there are always similarities between one genocide and another, there will also be specific differences. Those difference will then be used by bad faith actors to play down the severity of what's happened (as we have seen extensively in this conflict).

It also means people focus on the perpetrators, and if there is a focus on victims it's purely a numbers game. A genocide knockout - Armenia v the Kulaks in the quarter final! * In a sense I don't really care how this compares to Rwanda or Cambodia, I just want it to stop, and some kind of process put in place to stop it from happening again. A bonus if people end up in the Hague, but given how unlikely that is, I'd settle for Israel holding pariah state status for the forseable future, which seems rather more likely among the general population of most western countries than their political leaders. A bit like Apartheid South Africa.

Argh now I'm making comparisons. I guess it's unavoidable.

* I must add, I don't think anyone's doing that here, but I do see people straying into that territory elsewhere, and I've no doubt it's unintentional.

[Johnny Velvet]

"The worst thing would be if Israel is praised for stopping the killing at 'just' 30,000 people."

Brilliant interview.

[G-Man]

I've always refused to invoke Nazis in illustrating the crimes of Israel, even when terms like "Lebensraum" are applicable in a discussion about ethnic cleansing. It is rarely helpful to invoke Nazis in any discussion, and for someone of German heritage to do so in relation to Israel is loaded with obvious difficulties,

But when Israel is increasingly acting like Nazi Germany, I fear my principles are becoming rapidly outdated and redundant.