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The Lib Dems had gone some way to rehabilitating themselves. Chukka is now Treasury and business spokesman.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...sury-spokesman
Vince Cable seems pretty determined to trash the party for a second time.
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Originally posted by Snake Plissken View PostThe Lib Dems had gone some way to rehabilitating themselves. Chukka is now Treasury and business spokesman.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...sury-spokesman
Vince Cable seems pretty determined to trash the party for a second time.
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Well, the party that the leftwingerrati on here always hated is hardly going to be "rehabilitated" among the OTF leftwinterrati, no matter what they do.
The question is whether the chunk of the UK electorate who despite the Tories but wanted a moderate opposition and didn't find that with Tony Blair consider the Lib Dems rehabilitated and consider Corbyn's Labour not moderate enough. Of course 90% of OTFers aren't going to think the Lib Dems have rehabilitated themselves, but then those OTFers always despised the Lib Dems, through the David Owen, Paddy Ashdown, Charles Kennedy and Ming Campbell years. That hatred didn't start with Nick Clegg.
Personally, I'm not convinced they have rehabilitated themselves yet with the kind of moderate southern liberal who is pro-European and only want a tiny bit more redistribution and finds unions untrustworthy. But that's the group they've got to appeal to.
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I don't think the Lib Dems ever lost the support of moderate Southern liberals. That is their 10% base. What they had on 2010 and didn't get back until the last Euro Elections are young people who thought they were more radical than than Labour (in 2010) or because Brexit more recently. Without those, they don't win anything.
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Originally posted by San Bernardhinault View PostWell, the party that the leftwingerrati on here always hated is hardly going to be "rehabilitated" among the OTF leftwinterrati, no matter what they do.
The question is whether the chunk of the UK electorate who despite the Tories but wanted a moderate opposition and didn't find that with Tony Blair consider the Lib Dems rehabilitated and consider Corbyn's Labour not moderate enough. Of course 90% of OTFers aren't going to think the Lib Dems have rehabilitated themselves, but then those OTFers always despised the Lib Dems, through the David Owen, Paddy Ashdown, Charles Kennedy and Ming Campbell years. That hatred didn't start with Nick Clegg.
Personally, I'm not convinced they have rehabilitated themselves yet with the kind of moderate southern liberal who is pro-European and only want a tiny bit more redistribution and finds unions untrustworthy. But that's the group they've got to appeal to.
I'm incredibly dubious about tribal labour supporters given their party's long and distinguished history of doing absolutely heinous things, but the one thing they seem to be right on is never ever trust the Lib Dems.Last edited by Bizarre Löw Triangle; 17-06-2019, 08:11.
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[URL]https://twitter.com/will_def/status/1207715341561946118?s=21[/URL]
For Britain to have one moronic centrist party was unfortunate to have two was a fucking disaster.
now look where we are. And they could have stopped it.
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It's very important that history is not rewritten in 2021 to make it appear that No Deal was inevitable from 2016 onwards. There were opportunities for centrist Remainers to put country above party and personal ambition but they pissed them away. I'm not convinced that that a Customs Union campaign and Vote of No Confidence, backed by Labour, SNP, PC, Green and all centrist MPs, accompanied by Corbyn replacing May as PM, would have worked permanently given the certainty that they'd have to face a General Election eventually, but it would have bought us a couple more years by ensuring that the election was not held until 2021 or so, giving us two more years to state a case, and for Corbyn to show he was a credible PM.
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Originally posted by E10 Rifle View PostYeah, we've read millions of words already on where Labour went wrong. Isn't it time for the People's Vote campaigners to do a similar bit of soul-searching. What a catacylsmic failure their campaigning has been
[URL]https://twitter.com/leonardocarella/status/1070993472457465856[/URL]
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Originally posted by E10 Rifle View PostYeah, we've read millions of words already on where Labour went wrong. Isn't it time for the People's Vote campaigners to do a similar bit of soul-searching. What a catacylsmic failure their campaigning has been
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