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    Ffs.

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      Should he now stand down twice?

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        What a surprise.

        Worthless sub human fucking cunt joins cunt bastard scum who support the Tories

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          The Lib Dems had gone some way to rehabilitating themselves. Chukka is now Treasury and business spokesman.

          https://www.theguardian.com/politics...sury-spokesman

          Vince Cable seems pretty determined to trash the party for a second time.

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            Originally posted by Snake Plissken View Post
            The Lib Dems had gone some way to rehabilitating themselves. Chukka is now Treasury and business spokesman.

            https://www.theguardian.com/politics...sury-spokesman

            Vince Cable seems pretty determined to trash the party for a second time.
            The decision of each and every member of the Lib Dems to support the bedroom tax means not one of them can ever be rehabilitated.

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              Well, the party that the leftwingerrati on here always hated is hardly going to be "rehabilitated" among the OTF leftwinterrati, no matter what they do.

              The question is whether the chunk of the UK electorate who despite the Tories but wanted a moderate opposition and didn't find that with Tony Blair consider the Lib Dems rehabilitated and consider Corbyn's Labour not moderate enough. Of course 90% of OTFers aren't going to think the Lib Dems have rehabilitated themselves, but then those OTFers always despised the Lib Dems, through the David Owen, Paddy Ashdown, Charles Kennedy and Ming Campbell years. That hatred didn't start with Nick Clegg.

              Personally, I'm not convinced they have rehabilitated themselves yet with the kind of moderate southern liberal who is pro-European and only want a tiny bit more redistribution and finds unions untrustworthy. But that's the group they've got to appeal to.

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                The LibDems have had plenty of leaders who've deserved the hatred.

                Campbell, Ashdown, Steel, and Kennedy weren't any of them.

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                  I don't think the Lib Dems ever lost the support of moderate Southern liberals. That is their 10% base. What they had on 2010 and didn't get back until the last Euro Elections are young people who thought they were more radical than than Labour (in 2010) or because Brexit more recently. Without those, they don't win anything.

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                    Originally posted by Guy Profumo View Post
                    The LibDems have had plenty of leaders who've deserved the hatred.

                    Campbell, Ashdown, Steel, and Kennedy weren't any of them.
                    Steel deserves to be inside for protecting Cyril Smith.

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                      The entire party deserves to be inside for letting Steel off the hook for protecting Smith.

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                        Originally posted by San Bernardhinault View Post
                        Well, the party that the leftwingerrati on here always hated is hardly going to be "rehabilitated" among the OTF leftwinterrati, no matter what they do.

                        The question is whether the chunk of the UK electorate who despite the Tories but wanted a moderate opposition and didn't find that with Tony Blair consider the Lib Dems rehabilitated and consider Corbyn's Labour not moderate enough. Of course 90% of OTFers aren't going to think the Lib Dems have rehabilitated themselves, but then those OTFers always despised the Lib Dems, through the David Owen, Paddy Ashdown, Charles Kennedy and Ming Campbell years. That hatred didn't start with Nick Clegg.

                        Personally, I'm not convinced they have rehabilitated themselves yet with the kind of moderate southern liberal who is pro-European and only want a tiny bit more redistribution and finds unions untrustworthy. But that's the group they've got to appeal to.
                        Some of us were naive enough to actually vote Lib Dem in 2010 y'know. The bar was pretty low - not commit mass murder like the previous regime, but they still flunked it.

                        I'm incredibly dubious about tribal labour supporters given their party's long and distinguished history of doing absolutely heinous things, but the one thing they seem to be right on is never ever trust the Lib Dems.
                        Last edited by Bizarre Löw Triangle; 17-06-2019, 08:11.

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                          Originally posted by Antepli Ejderha View Post

                          Steel deserves to be inside for protecting Cyril Smith.
                          Sorry.

                          Forgotten that he was complicit in protecting the old fucker.

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                            They've officially fucked it all off, the useless pricks.

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                              [URL]https://twitter.com/will_def/status/1207715341561946118?s=21[/URL]

                              For Britain to have one moronic centrist party was unfortunate to have two was a fucking disaster.

                              now look where we are. And they could have stopped it.

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                                This aged incredibly well.

                                https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1098214449247383552

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                                  Well, they’re no more or less unemployed than Laura Pidcock.

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                                    At least she's in a party that exists and has members.

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                                      It's very important that history is not rewritten in 2021 to make it appear that No Deal was inevitable from 2016 onwards. There were opportunities for centrist Remainers to put country above party and personal ambition but they pissed them away. I'm not convinced that that a Customs Union campaign and Vote of No Confidence, backed by Labour, SNP, PC, Green and all centrist MPs, accompanied by Corbyn replacing May as PM, would have worked permanently given the certainty that they'd have to face a General Election eventually, but it would have bought us a couple more years by ensuring that the election was not held until 2021 or so, giving us two more years to state a case, and for Corbyn to show he was a credible PM.

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                                        Originally posted by Satchmo Distel View Post
                                        backed by Labour, SNP, PC, Green and all centrist MPs, accompanied by Corbyn replacing May as PM, .
                                        But not the Liberal Democrats?

                                        Understandable to give up on the Swinson Yellow Tories.

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                                          Yeah, we've read millions of words already on where Labour went wrong. Isn't it time for the People's Vote campaigners to do a similar bit of soul-searching. What a catacylsmic failure their campaigning has been

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                                            Originally posted by E10 Rifle View Post
                                            Yeah, we've read millions of words already on where Labour went wrong. Isn't it time for the People's Vote campaigners to do a similar bit of soul-searching. What a catacylsmic failure their campaigning has been
                                            It took me ages to find this tweet, and not all of it has aged well, but I think the point is sound:

                                            [URL]https://twitter.com/leonardocarella/status/1070993472457465856[/URL]

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                                              Originally posted by E10 Rifle View Post
                                              Yeah, we've read millions of words already on where Labour went wrong. Isn't it time for the People's Vote campaigners to do a similar bit of soul-searching. What a catacylsmic failure their campaigning has been
                                              One can only look at who was running the PV campaign and offer the advice that "you're in for a long wait, mate".

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                                                At least she's in a party that exists and has members.
                                                Allen and Berger are Lib Dems now I think, tho I see the gag coming.

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                                                  We could be in a Customs union and Johnson would probably be history

                                                  Bu they refused to vote for it for reasons best known to themselves.

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                                                    The handy thing about being in the Customs Union is that you essentially have to abide by EU rules and regulations. Which means that it becomes a piece of piss to rejoin the EU once all the racists die off.

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