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    Originally posted by WOM View Post

    For sure. But the same impartiality claim can be made of sheriffs, judges, state voting commissioners, etc. Yet most of them seem to have done their level best at the task they were given. Very few people who aren't on Trump's immediate payroll seem to be willing to fall on their sword for him.
    Odd that.

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      Biden's national vote total has now gone past 80 million. His percentage lead is drifting up close to 4%.

      Interestingly - for some of us, at least - the biggest anti-Trump swings have come in the North-East, in places where they have almost no impact:

      1. Vermont -9.0 points
      2. Nebraska's 2nd CD -8.9
      3. Colorado -8.6
      4. Maine's 1st CD -8.3
      5. Delaware -7.6
      6. New Hampshire -7.0
      7. Maryland -6.7
      8. Connecticut -6.4
      9. Massachusetts -6.3
      10. Maine -6.1

      I'm not really sure what this means. It's deeply unhelpful in electoral college terms but that doesn't matter as the electoral college is won. And, as many people have said, it's probably useless to take too many lessons from an election that was all about Trump.

      I just find it interesting that it's the Democratic North-East that had the strongest anti-Trump reaction. Perhaps if you live in an anti-Trump bubble you hear all the bad stuff and react against him? If you have friends who are Trumpers, perhaps you also hear positive stuff that some of us in Lib-Land never hear?

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        Colorado used to be a swing state IIRC. Now firmly blue.

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          An excellent deep dive into what happened in Michigan

          https://twitter.com/TimAlberta/status/1331433451363442689

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            It is sad that there was no questions allowed at the conference celebrating the Dow hitting 30k as it was becoming more and more certain he was a one-term President.

            SAD.

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              https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/1331457573552336898

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                Originally posted by San Bernardhinault View Post

                I just find it interesting that it's the Democratic North-East that had the strongest anti-Trump reaction. Perhaps if you live in an anti-Trump bubble you hear all the bad stuff and react against him? If you have friends who are Trumpers, perhaps you also hear positive stuff that some of us in Lib-Land never hear?
                Does Trump's anti-immigration rhetoric whip up less support there than in southern states? Although as we're talking 'swing from 2016', did his Make America Great Again shtick then attract more support at the time among relatively wealthy and dare I suggest more sheltered voters?
                Last edited by Rogin the Armchair fan; 25-11-2020, 09:45.

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                  Originally posted by Rogin the Armchair fan View Post

                  Does Trump's anti-immigration rhetoric whip up less support there than in southern states? Although as we're talking 'swing from 2016', did his Make America Great Again shtick then attract more support at the time among relatively wealthy and dare I suggest more sheltered voters?
                  What was the difference in turnout? My first guess would be that people in Vermont, say, who didn't bother to vote in 2016 did so this time, because even though it wasn't going to make a difference, they could see the value of at least increasing the raw numbers of voters nationwide in the anti-Trump camp.

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                    The difference in turnout by state is the last column to the right in this table

                    https://cookpolitical.com/2020-natio...r-vote-tracker

                    The most significant gains in percentage terms look to have been in Trumpy states in the Mountain West. Vermont's increase was just above the national average.

                    Looking at the margin shift column, one is struck by the shift towards Biden just about everywhere (the New York results are distorted by the fact that it is still counting mail in ballots)





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                      It's worth noting that the Mountain West probably has the steepest population growth, which would account for at least part of that relatively larger turnout increase.

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                        Yes

                        Data on increase from 2018 to 2019 is here. The trend should be similar for 2016 to 2020

                        https://www.census.gov/newsroom/pres...st-nation.html

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                          There are no words.

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXsiYZERYCk

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                            Originally posted by Toby Gymshorts View Post
                            Geezus, those two tools are more brainwashed than our domestic Fox crowd.

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                              No kidding, though it is useful to be reminded periodically that the UK and US don't have a monopoly on those sort.

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                                Murdoch does seem to be more willing to let his minions go all out in Australia

                                Not that there isn't plenty of material to work with here

                                https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1331624433983819779

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                                  Originally posted by Toby Gymshorts View Post
                                  Well, thanks for that. Nice to see Don Jr has a separated twin, and that people are showing up for guest spots straight from Victorian costume balls.

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                                    Originally posted by San Bernardhinault View Post
                                    Biden's national vote total has now gone past 80 million. His percentage lead is drifting up close to 4%.

                                    Interestingly - for some of us, at least - the biggest anti-Trump swings have come in the North-East, in places where they have almost no impact:

                                    1. Vermont -9.0 points
                                    2. Nebraska's 2nd CD -8.9
                                    3. Colorado -8.6
                                    4. Maine's 1st CD -8.3
                                    5. Delaware -7.6
                                    6. New Hampshire -7.0
                                    7. Maryland -6.7
                                    8. Connecticut -6.4
                                    9. Massachusetts -6.3
                                    10. Maine -6.1

                                    I'm not really sure what this means. It's deeply unhelpful in electoral college terms but that doesn't matter as the electoral college is won. And, as many people have said, it's probably useless to take too many lessons from an election that was all about Trump.

                                    I just find it interesting that it's the Democratic North-East that had the strongest anti-Trump reaction. Perhaps if you live in an anti-Trump bubble you hear all the bad stuff and react against him? If you have friends who are Trumpers, perhaps you also hear positive stuff that some of us in Lib-Land never hear?
                                    Prevalence of early voting making "sending a message" a more powerful idea than deciding that voting on election day was going to be a nightmare?

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                                      Originally posted by San Bernardhinault View Post
                                      Mountain West
                                      At least the Mountain West states are actually in the west, so that's good. Better than the Midwest.

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                                        Trump has backed out of the Gettysburg clown show

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                                          The White House has cancelled a planned trip to Pennsylvania today, according to a media pool report.

                                          It was reported yesterday that Trump planned to appear alongside Rudy Giuliani on Wednesday at a Wyndham hotel in Gettysburg to spread lies about the election. But two members of Giuliani’s circle have since announced positive Covid tests. Giuliani appears to be holding the event nevertheless. He has denied reports that he is earning $20,000 a day to do what he’s doing.

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                                            So The Kraken has obtained a Court order to halt the Pennsylvania certification. What's all that about?

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                                              Performative bullocks because most of the certification is completed.

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                                                I suspected as much, but you'd think they have video evidence of Joe Biden voting multiple times in different disguises the way they trumpet it.
                                                Last edited by Eggchaser; 26-11-2020, 13:23. Reason: Fucking useless left hand typing!

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                                                  The Governor signed the certification more than 24 hours ago and it was in Washington yesterday

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                                                    Some details on what is actually happening with the Pennsylvania suit.

                                                    On Wednesday morning, Commonwealth Court Judge Patricia A. McCullough, who was elected as a Republican in 2009, placed a hold on the certification process for down-ballot races pending an evidentiary hearing. State officials appealed to the Pennsylvania Supreme Court later Wednesday, which triggered an automatic stay of McCullough’s order. They then asked the state high court to step in and dismiss the case altogether.

                                                    “The Commonwealth Court’s Order threatens to disrupt the certification of every race in the 2020 general election; foreclose the seating of elected representatives; indefinitely postpone the December 1 start of the General Assembly’s term; undermine the will of the voters; and cast a wholly unwarranted cloud over Pennsylvania’s election results,” lawyers for the state wrote in a filing.

                                                    Legal experts said it was unlikely that judges assigned to the case would ultimately grant a request to change the rules of an election after the fact in a way that disenfranchises millions of people.

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