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    Yeah, the autobiography quotes from that review are blech.
    Last edited by Bruno; 13-04-2019, 17:12.

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      Originally posted by linus View Post

      He's got an army of a few dozen cyber-activists who plaster the main articles and videos with organic-sounding praise.
      Do you know that for a fact?

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        Originally posted by Bruno View Post

        Do you know that for a fact?
        "Fact"? Let's just say it's my gut feeling, you have people on there claiming to be Trump voters with subscriptions to channels like CNN and Ellen, it just doesn't feel organic, and that's the same impression I got in comment sections of other articles about him. He does have some genuine motivated activists, but there is an astroturfed seed element there as well.

        What's fairly indisputable is that he has the same kind of MSM cheerleading you had in France for Macron, like for example this new Salon article, which reads like a Buttigieg campaign PR piece:

        Mayor Pete Buttigieg's popularity continues to surge as he tops more polls in Iowa, New Hampshire

        Buttigieg saw a 33 percent jump in name recognition in New Hampshire the biggest increase among 2020 candidates


        The first survey of likely Democratic caucusgoers in Iowa, conducted by Monmouth University, reveals that Buttigieg has the support of 9 percent of those who say they are likely to attend the state's nominating event in February 2020. The small-city mayor, who is set today formally kick off his presidential campaign Sunday in his home town, finishes in third behind former Vice President Joe Biden and Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont.

        Biden, who is likely to enter the race later this month, is the first choice of likely caucusgoers with 27 percent, followed by Sanders, a self-described democratic socialist, at 16 percent.

        The poll places Buttigieg marginally ahead of a host of candidates who entered the race with more established profiles and experience in higher office: Sens. Kamala Harris of California and Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts are at 7 percent, followed by former congressman Beto O'Rourke of Texas at 6 percent, Sen. Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota at 4 percent and Sen. Cory Booker of New Jersey at 3 percent.

        The previous poll of likely Iowan Democratic caucus participants, conducted by Emerson Polling last month, also had Biden leading the 2020 Democratic presidential field with 25 percent. Sanders came in a close second at 24 perfent, while Buttigieg came in third at 11 percent.
        https://www.salon.com/2019/04/12/may...new-hampshire/

        The only number in the headline says "33% jump... biggest increase", it's as if they've cherrypicked the one stat that makes him look like he's totally crushing it. Burried deep into the text we find out that he came a distant third, with Biden and Sanders getting 3 and 2 times as many points, with Harris, Warren and Beto all in the same peloton and within the margin of error of PB's score. And further down, we learn that the previous poll had PB at 11%, which means that his score has actually dropped slightly...

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          Yeah PB is a centrist.

          His championing of his success in "renovating or demolishing 1000 homes" sounds a bit suspect.

          How many were renovated and how many were demolished? What kind of mayor, besides the mayor of Berlin in 1946, is measuring success by number of demolished buildings? Who profited from the renovated houses?
          Last edited by anton pulisov; 13-04-2019, 19:15.

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            From the Nathan Robinson article Linus linked to, the 1000 demolished houses thing seems just like New Labour's evil Pathfinder policy in Northern England, creating a desert of abandoned streets and demolished houses in order to "stimulate a property market". Fuck this PB chancer.

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              Culturally, having an openly gay candidate as a genuine contender is a good sign of progress, I would hope, and his being a Christian and a veteran will create some dissonance among those who think gay = left and atheist.

              Politically, he's indistinguishable from a moderate Republican and is presumably trying to claim that ground that the GOP abandoned when staking its future on Trump, like Tony Blair going for One Nation Tory voters. If he wins, the election is going to be GOP-authoritarian v GOP-nice & lite, even more than it was in 2016.

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                He's the American Leo Varadkar. It's great that Ireland has a gay taoiseach. He was brave to be the first ever serving minister to come out, and it shows how much the country has moved on that it didn't damage his career prospects. I'm delighted for him on a personal level. I'd never vote for him though, because I find his politics reprehensible.

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                  You wouldn't vote for him against the current incumbent?

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                    Ah right, I was talking about Varadkar.

                    I suppose if I was a US citizen and it did boil down to Trump vs PB, then you'd have to go for the least evil option. Even then, there are some issues were Trump would be more progressive: he declassified CIA records about undercover ops to murder South American leftists in France. I couldn't see Buttigieg, a former intelligence operative, doing that. And Trump hasn't started any wars (yet). But yeah, if you are an American in the US, looking for more equality, less racism/sexism, better gun control, better healthcare, etc, then Buttigieg would clearly be the better candidate than Trump.

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                      Originally posted by anton pulisov View Post
                      He's the American Leo Varadkar. It's great that Ireland has a gay taoiseach. He was brave to be the first ever serving minister to come out, and it shows how much the country has moved on that it didn't damage his career prospects. I'm delighted for him on a personal level. I'd never vote for him though, because I find his politics reprehensible.
                      Yeah, this sums it up. If I could vote, much as I respect the ambition, I would think more than twice, before him.

                      However, if he is the Democratic nomination, I will happily clean his dishes, whilst him and his mister are at the hustings.

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                        Until the Senate flips, how progressive the president is won't make much difference. And the damage Trump is doing will have a long shadow regardless. Trying to take a balanced view of Trump's politics is a bit like giving Hitler credit for being a vegetarian.

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                          I really doubt that 45 had anything to do with the declassification of those documents.

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                            The comparison with Varadkar is quite interesting though. If only for what it says about the differences in optimal routes to political relevance in the two countries.

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                              Indeed, Ireland is a multi-party democracy with single transferable vote. Voters can be picky.

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                                I was going to come in here defending Mayor Pete, as the accusations here mostly come from the usual non-US-resident suspects who find anyone who's not called Bernie Sanders to be utterly disreputable and inherently self-disqualified from being the Democratic candidate. I was going to point out that his suggestion for packing the Supreme Court with 15 members, and his method for getting there, seemed eminently reasonable, for example.

                                But then Buttigieg comes out with this. And, frankly, anyone who talks about National Service should be inherently self-disqualified. There is no reason for it, it's always a terrible idea, and it's always a pitch to reactionary arseholes who want more discipline hammered into disrespectful kids. It's pure Blairite bollocks, and it puts Buttigieg back where I first thought of him - the kind of person who first came to my attention with a No-Labels label attached, someone for the Clinton nostalgists. Ugh.
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                                  That strike me as a weird thing to consider a disqualifying litmus test, especially given how vague he was about what it might entail.

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                                    I just find that people who support National Service seem to be trying to appeal to a particular demographic - it always seems like a triangulating move when it comes from the left. It seems to start from the premise that "Kids today, eh? They're all terrible wastrels." And that the solution almost always involves bootcamps and discipline and so on. It seems incredibly reactionary to me.

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                                      Well, in Germany a lot of the support comes from people who believe that hospitals, mental health services and geriatric services are chronically understaffed.

                                      He may well be trying to appeal to a demographic that you don't like (but which votes regularly and in large numbers), but what he said is so vague as to be incapable of being defined other than by pre-conceptions observers bring to it.

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                                        I'm for compulsory community service, as in local.

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                                          Originally posted by Bruno View Post
                                          I'm for compulsory PAID community service, as in local.

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                                            I haven't thought through the economics of it, I just like the idea.

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                                              I was going to come in here defending Mayor Pete, as the accusations here mostly come from the usual non-US-resident suspects who find anyone who's not called Bernie Sanders to be utterly disreputable and inherently self-disqualified from being the Democratic candidate
                                              I dunno, Elizabeth Warren seems fine.

                                              But Pete Buttigieg is clearly trying to triangulate everything with everything. I kind of get the feeling that he's not even for half the shit he says he is. He's put it through some kind of BePresident computer algorithm. For example, PB keeps telling us about his faith in the lord. I dunno, I'm having trouble believing that his social science professor parents were super religious.

                                              Apparently he speaks Norwegian. He speaks Norwegian like I speak Spanish. Buenos dias, yo gusto una horchata. But it is a genius language to pretend to speak. Who is going to call you out on it? Only the Norwegians can. But their language never gets any attention, so they are just amazed that someone can put two words together.

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                                                No wait, his father apparently spent time studying to become a priest.

                                                Yeah, that is pretty hardcore religious.

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                                                  Dunno about that.

                                                  My brother-in-law spent four years at seminary and is now areligious (as are his children).

                                                  It isn't that unusual.

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                                                    Over here John McDonnell also began studies to be a priest

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