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    Originally posted by Cesar Rodriguez View Post

    There was a sentiment of "Bernie or Bust" amongst his supporters in other words they would vote for Bernie or no-one but that was not Bernie's stance - he was always about supporting the Dem nominee against Trump.

    Hillary diehards just love to scapegoat others for her shortcomings rather than come to terms with reality.
    I think a large degree of the unsubstantiated criticism he faces is projection (one quarter of Hilary primary voters went for Romney in 2008, for example) - especially the idea that his supporters are overwhelmingly white and middle class, voting for someone that looks like him. Underlying it I think is that for a large number of vocal and prominent political commentators, politics is a parlour game, a horse race where the candidate that you like best (based on superficial identity, cultural elements) rather than a competition of ideas that affect the entire population.

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      Originally posted by That Night In Barcelona View Post

      He did a large number of rallies on her behalf in the swing states where she lost to Trump; she made no appearances in these states at all and relied on surrogates. It is staggering how little self-reflection she's demonstrated (in public at least), but not surprising ultimately.
      I had assumed she had basically gone into hiding politically until she recently emerged to stick an oar in about 2020 unnecessarily.

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        She's been doing speeches and other public appearances that raise funds for the Foundation.

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          Jeff Bezos does not like Bernie Sanders, it appears.
          [URL]https://twitter.com/jayrosen_nyu/status/1231801587976331264?s=21[/URL]

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            It's almost like the billionaires feel threatened.

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              So apparently the WaPo piece thinks Sanders isn't real enough about climate change because he wants to cut fossil fuels by TOO MUCH. Which apparently justifies a headline saying that he is just as out of touch with the reality of climate change as Donald Trump.

              There was a funny cartoon in the replies on twitter:


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                Originally posted by Nefertiti2 View Post
                Jeff Bezos does not like Bernie Sanders, it appears.
                [URL]https://twitter.com/jayrosen_nyu/status/1231801587976331264?s=21[/URL]
                And the libs go crazy when Bernie dares to question the motivations of the WaPo.

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                  "Mike is a genius with money", example 3,829

                  https://twitter.com/Robillard/status/1231971942326063106

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                    Christ on a bike, if any of my friends started spamming me political texts I'd be having sharp words.

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                      [URL]https://twitter.com/NYDailyNews/status/1232009442801209346[/URL]

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                        Why she’s voting for Bernie

                        a thread

                        [URL]https://twitter.com/dubarrypie/status/1231669876122505216?s=21[/URL]

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                          She's right about the US medical system. But even a Sanders presidency with a Democratic sweep of purple and light-red senate seats still wouldn't lead to proper universal healthcare in the US. She might be a bit less screwed under a Sander presidency but there's no way that he'll be able to pass a universal healthcare bill. (I really prefer the term universal healthcare to the mealy-mouthed "single-payer" and the confusing "medicare for all").

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                            Strange that you grew up in a country which had free universal healthcare but you consider it an impossible dream for your adopted new home.
                            Last edited by Nefertiti2; 24-02-2020, 23:15.

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                              ???

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                                I think I've made pretty clear on these pages that I think Sanders is the wrong candidate for the Democrats, and doesn't have the right message for 21st century progressives. But I'm coming round to the feeling that there might be nobody better, and almost certainly nobody better who might be able to win the nomination. I still hold a candle for Warren, but sadly think she doesn't have a chance even if the anti-Sanders forces coalesced. And it's obvious that Amy and Pete can't win (and both - particularly Amy - have spent too much time focusing on what can't be done). And it's obvious that Biden and Bloomberg would make even worse candidates than Sanders. So perhaps we should have the Sanders candidacy.

                                But I have an absolute ton of reservations while saying that.

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                                  Originally posted by Nefertiti2 View Post
                                  Strange that you grew up in a country which had free universal healthcare but you consider it an impossible dream for your adopted new home.
                                  Explain how it's magically going to get past a Senate full of Manchins and Feinsteins and Synemas, let alone Ted Cruzes and Rand Pauls.

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                                    Because the current system isn’t fit for purpose

                                    [URL]https://twitter.com/mattdpearce/status/1231959925040939009?s=21[/URL]

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                                      Everyone (well, almost everyone) knows it's not fit for purpose. Everyone knows - to use a recent example that I experienced - that it's comically stupid that you have to pay for your ambulance ride, and even stupider that you have to tell them which hospital to take you to.

                                      That doesn't explain how it's going to get through the Senate.

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                                        If Sanders is elected ( and that’s a big if) it will get through the Senate. Because I don’t think that another 4 years of blocking the popular will will be feasible. If Sanders is elected he’ll have a bigger share of the vote than Clinton did.

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                                          Nef, it won't even have the support of all Democratic senators on inauguration day. Recall that Lieberman was key to killing any progress under Clinton.

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                                            Originally posted by Nefertiti2 View Post
                                            Strange that you grew up in a country which had free universal healthcare but you consider it an impossible dream for your adopted new home.
                                            It is called "not being deluded"

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                                              It’s evening in America.

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                                                [URL]https://twitter.com/strobist/status/1232060945079382016?s=21[/URL]

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                                                  It's been pretty fucking dark for years

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                                                    Oh, hang on a second. I am just being unreasonably cynical. I struggle to use all my fingers and thumbs to find people I know would be aligned with Sanders on Universal Healthcare in the Senate. It is as though Obama made the whole Obamacare thing look like a ridiculous struggle so he could claim some form of martyrdom.

                                                    There are hundreds of US structural political things that are totally not fit for purpose. If the majority of Sanders supporters are anything like you in outlook they are going to be super disappointed should be be elected. He is still playing the same DC game, even if his stump speech is radically different.

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