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    #76
    Originally posted by ad hoc View Post
    Journalists have sources. That's how they operate.
    If the journalist has committed a crime to obtain information, as the USA are alleging, then the journalist is a criminal.

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      #77
      Three minor charges passed the statute of limitations on 18.8.2015 but the major charges are still within the statute until 2020. Assange can be charged in Sweden up to August 2020:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assang...ations_dropped

      The investigation into the major charges had been dropped in 2017 due to the unlikelihood of his being extradited by 2020 and because Sweden has to focus its resources.

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        #78
        When did half of the people on the board turn into Guy?

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          #79
          The question I still have is if a Swedish (intra-EU) extradition order outranks a US one.

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            #80
            The detailed Home Office guidance doesn't address potential conflicts of this sort.

            Given that, I don't see why requests couldn't be considered simultaneously. There are time periods built into the European Arrest Warrant regime that would make it likely that that process would conclude first.

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              #81
              Tack, merci, etc

              Yeah I think the rape extradition would be fairly straightforward. Can't see a UK judge saying Swedish police are corrupt and are lying about rape charges
              Last edited by anton pulisov; 11-04-2019, 23:18.

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                #82
                Originally posted by ursus arctos View Post
                When did half of the people on the board turn into Guy?
                ??

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                  #83
                  I guess Ursus means people repeat posting, which is Guy's thing.

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                    #84
                    Meanwhile, actor Pamela Anderson, one of a diverse range of public figures and celebrities to have visited Assange, tweeted that she was “in shock”, and accused the UK of being “America’s bitch” and of seeking a diversion “from your idiotic Brexit bullshit”.
                    It's a really desperate state of affairs when Pamela Anderson is one of our most incisive political commentators

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                      #85
                      Originally posted by tee rex View Post
                      I guess Ursus means people repeat posting, which is Guy's thing.
                      OK. For clarification, I posted the Wiki link because the point had not been made upthread that there were two sets of potential charges with different Statutes of Limitation dates. The minor ones expired August 2015, the major ones can still be made up to 18.8.2020 based on the link.

                      I think the confusion upthread and elsewhere was due to people conflating the expiration of the minor charges in 2015 with the decision to drop the investigation in 2017, which was an entirely separate issue.
                      Last edited by Satchmo Distel; 12-04-2019, 10:04.

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                        #86
                        As tee rex said, Satchmo, Guy occasionally posts a story or link which has already appeared higher up the thread. Others have done similar in the last week or two, hence the comment. No (serious) criticism implied.

                        As for Pamela Anderson's suggestion that nicking Julian is a diversion from Brexit, damn, she's so right! Brexit has disappeared from the media completely! Cunning plan!

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                          #87
                          Thanks. I have edited now. It's the Internet; wires get crossed.
                          Last edited by Satchmo Distel; 12-04-2019, 10:09.

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                            #88
                            Thanks, Satchmo.

                            It was meant as a jocular throwaway observation that the statute of limitations point seemed to be coming up every 20 posts or so, with a similar back and forth. It certainly wasn't meant as criticism of you or anyone else.

                            Your addition of detail about the allegations is helpful, as is the specificity as to exactly when in 2020 it runs.

                            The latter point has caused me to think of another reason why the English courts may choose to prioritise a Swedish request, should one be issued. Simply put, the fact that Sweden only has about sixteen months to bring him to trial (should they decide to do so) is a strong argument for that proceeding to be first in the queue. In that vein, it is notable that the UK didn't give Sweden any advance notice of what they were going to do, whereas they did give the US a heads up. It is difficult to conjure up a neutral explanation for the disparity.

                            From what I have read, it seems that Swedish procedure does not allow the prosecutors to simply re-file the request. A process involving a degree of review of all of the circumstances is required, though I have so far not been able to find an informed estimate of how long that may take or just what steps are involved.

                            i also think that it is interesting that the US indictment appears on its face to have been the one produced (and filed under seal) by the Obama era DOJ, and therefore reflects Obama's insistence (over the strong and repeated objections of the US security establishment) that Assange's publication of the material not be the subject of criminal charges due to the manifest First Amendment issues. I very much doubt that the current DOJ would have any such qualms.

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                              #89
                              Thanks, Ursus.

                              I think Assange and his lawyers are resigned to the fact that they will be extradited to the US not Sweden.

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                                #90
                                Someone on Twitter is getting retweeted because they've quit the Labour party because of Labour's "uncritical" support of Assange which is "an insult to all victims of sexual violence".

                                Also using the term "brocialists" which is a new one on me.

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                                  #91
                                  Labour have not yet stated that he should be extradited to Sweden should they decide to reopen their case. Emily Thorneberry has said he should and it would be best if the party reiterated this.

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                                    #92
                                    Yeah I quit twitter. I was accused of being sexist after asking a question to somebody who happened to be a woman. The question was never answered.

                                    The whole website is a massive thread Vietnam.

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                                      #93
                                      I agree that war crimes need to be exposed and what is in the “interest of national security” shouldn’t be solely determined by the government, but it shouldn’t be decided by sanctimonious self-promoting assholes like this either. Especially if he’s working with Russia.

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                                        #94
                                        Originally posted by Patrick Thistle View Post
                                        Someone on Twitter is getting retweeted because they've quit the Labour party because of Labour's "uncritical" support of Assange which is "an insult to all victims of sexual violence".

                                        Also using the term "brocialists" which is a new one on me.
                                        Brocialist is a favourite term of those who think the left most candidate in the 2016 election was Clinton, not Sanders.

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                                          #95
                                          The United States military deliberately shot and killed a number of people including journalists



                                          It seems to me irrelevant whether the people who help bring it to light are'sanctimonious self-promoting assholes" or not. The people who did the acts should be held to account.

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                                            #96
                                            Originally posted by Satchmo Distel View Post
                                            Thanks, Ursus.

                                            I think Assange and his lawyers are resigned to the fact that they will be extradited to the US not Sweden.
                                            Resigned? He took himself out of Sweden, then hid in a cupboard to avoid being sent there.

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                                              #97
                                              Originally posted by WOM View Post
                                              Why not?
                                              Because doing so buys in to rape culture, when it comes down to it.

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                                                #98
                                                Originally posted by Patrick Thistle View Post
                                                using the term "brocialists" which is a new one on me.
                                                On twitter? I'm surprised you've not come across it before. How about manarchists?

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                                                  #99
                                                  Originally posted by TonTon View Post

                                                  On twitter? I'm surprised you've not come across it before. How about manarchists?
                                                  I sometimes think I live on a different Twitter to everyone else.

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                                                    There are a very large number of parallel Twitters that rarely intersect

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