The WTF? Thread

[ursus arctos]

https://twitter.com/saoirsefashion/status/1627764248666423296?s=61&t=d3yE2fwCTLe-hQfEGDOUkQ

[ursus arctos]

https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1629503340743630849?s=61&t=UlepCwZY_PWQvxgo9Ol9Mw

[Lang Spoon]

Is this the Gore Vidal style isolationist drivel of "FDR let it happen", or full on hoax hoax?

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

Hmm, was the US looking to eventually start a row with the japanese, ideally in the phillipines? Quite probably. Did anyone in the US military or govt imagine that the japanese could or would sink nearly the entire US Navy in a morning in pearl harbour? Absolutely not. The prevailing view in the US military establishment was that the japanese were primitives in trousers, capable of making crude copies of western equipment, and not much else. basically it's the sort of heady mix of racism and complacency that always looks truly terrible in hindsight.

[Lang Spoon]

Well quite, but it's almost become received wisdom that FDR sat on Intel cos reasons.

[ursus arctos]

The tweet appears to be full hoax hoax (either false flag or no attack at all), not the more common version.

[Satchmo Distel]

I don't think FDR was itching to go into the war as soon as possible. Some of his decisions in Autumn 41 were quite cautious. It was more the belief that the Japanese wouldn't provoke a war that they would definitely lose given the material, productive and human resources of the two sides (Stalin made the same error regarding Germany).

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

I don't think FDR was itching to go into the war as soon as possible. Some of his decisions in Autumn 41 were quite cautious. It was more the belief that the Japanese wouldn't provoke a war that they would definitely lose given the material, productive and human resources of the two sides (Stalin made the same error regarding Germany).

I'd also be a bit nervous about the whole framing of this though. The USA wasn't thinking about an imminent war with Japan for the hell of it. there was a reason for the oil embargo. Japan was charging around committing all sorts of heinous attorocities and kicking off massive wars for sport. refusing to sell Japan oil seems pretty reasonable under the circumstances.

[Discordant Resonance]

This can't be real, or at least, shouldn't be:

https://twitter.com/evanewashington/status/1629547021731508225

[elguapo4]

This can't be real, or at least, shouldn't be:

https://twitter.com/evanewashington/status/1629547021731508225

Holy fuck! Literally everything is wrong with that idea.

[Lang Spoon]

I couldn't read those fucking books when I was nine, and I'm not going to start now, but everyone I know who has, they fucking hate that Bombadil cunt. Corden will be perfect so.

[Patrick Thistle]

Yes. I couldn't think of a more suitable combination of talent and source material.

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

I couldn't read those fucking books when I was nine, and I'm not going to start now, but everyone I know who has, they fucking hate that Bombadil cunt. Corden will be perfect so.

Yeah, my mate who was really into Tolkien was delighted when he wasn't in the film, and told me to skip about 80 pages if I were to read the books.

[Janik]

This can't be real, or at least, shouldn't be:

https://twitter.com/evanewashington/status/1629547021731508225

This sounds like a work of pure evil.

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

It's almost certainly a spoof.

[Hot Pepsi]

Yeah, my mate who was really into Tolkien was delighted when he wasn't in the film, and told me to skip about 80 pages if I were to read the books.

That part of the book is what TV writers would call a “bottle episode. Except bottle episodes usually help develop the backstory of the main characters or the setting of the story. It’s not clear where Tolkien was going with Tom Bombadil and Goldie. I think it was a different story that he just tacked on.

Tolkien was adept at creating the world for his stories and, unlike a lot of fantasy authors, was also able to create appealing characters. But Peter Jackson is much more adept at pacing and plotting.

But a lot of Tolkien nerds, including Christopher Tolkien, were deeply offended by any deviation from the text.

[ursus arctos]

https://twitter.com/nailheadparty/status/1426308126404452355?s=61&t=XNQXMmNh6cbenLqbbDe6vg

[Janik]

That part of the book is what TV writers would call a “bottle episode. Except bottle episodes usually help develop the backstory of the main characters or the setting of the story. It’s not clear where Tolkien was going with Tom Bombadil and Goldie. I think it was a different story that he just tacked on.

Tolkien was adept at creating the world for his stories and, unlike a lot of fantasy authors, was also able to create appealing characters. But Peter Jackson is much more adept at pacing and plotting.

But a lot of Tolkien nerds, including Christopher Tolkien, were deeply offended by any deviation from the text.

The opening 80 pages, i.e. pretty well everything before Bree, are written in a different style from the rest of Lord of the Rings. That start is more like a follow up to The Hobbit, so another kids book. Not just Bombadil, but also everything around Bilbo’s eleventy-first birthday party. It’s like Tolkien couldn’t be bothered to go back and redraft that start when the emphasis and target market substantially changed midway through the project.

[Felicity, I guess so]

It's all bollocks so I'll pay as much attention to a Corden musical hobbit as to all the rest

[Patrick Thistle]

Do we have a Tolkien thread?

[ad hoc]

Do we have a Tolkien thread?

Ridiculously long? Only of interest to a nerdy few? Largely incomprehensible to everyone else?

It's the cryptic crossword thread isn't it?

[Evariste Euler Gauss]

If the odious James Corden has to appear in any further production (and of course I wish he wouldn't), then a Tolkien thing is ideal from my perspective for reasons that most of us will share.

[Patrick Thistle]

There are more haters on here than I realised

[Levin]

I was itching to post the Bestie Boys tweet and then got halfway down the page and the bear had beaten me to it.

I saw this thread about the authorial voice in JRRT's work just this morning and found it really interesting.

https://twitter.com/frogskull7960/status/1617596813581615111

Aren't all these Middle Earth adaptations struggling with the limited nature of what rights are available? The estate isn't letting anything else out now so all the studios have to work with are rights signed in the past. That's why Rings of Power was based on the appendixes of LotR rather than the Silmarillion.

[Evariste Euler Gauss]

There are more haters on here than I realised

What, of Corden or Tolkien? If you mean Corden, I'm surprised that you're suprised. If you mean Tolkien, I don't hate him or his work, I just have absolutely and for ever zero interest in it, whether the original books or any screen adaptation or other derivate material.