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    Europe v Rest of the World at World Cups

    2014, 64 games

    Europe won- 20

    RotW won- 11

    Draws- 10

    Neither or both European teams playing- 23


    2018, 23 games to date

    Europe- 13

    RotW- 2

    Draws- 3

    N/A- 5
    Last edited by Duncan Gardner; 22-06-2018, 11:47.

    #2
    2010

    Europe 14
    Rotw 9
    Drawn 10

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      #3
      2010, 33 games

      Europe won - 14
      RotW won - 9
      Draws - 10


      2006, 34 games

      Europe won - 23
      RotW won - 6
      Draw - 5


      European teams in last 16
      2006 - 10
      2010 - 6
      2014 - 6
      2018 - ? but surely going to be more than 6 and might even top 2006's total


      Hosting the World Cup in Europe gives European teams a big benefit.

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        #4
        No South American semi-finalist 1934, 1966, 1982, 2006...

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          #5
          2002: eur 17 row 16 draw 10

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            #6
            I think the greatest revelation is a direct mid-ranking UEFA v mid-ranking CONMEBOL clash like Denmark v Peru. The South Americans were winning those in 2014. Would Chile have done any better than Peru here? Very doubtful.

            But there is always one European team that fucks up and stinks the place out. Poland here so far. Germany or Sweden probably going out to Mexico.

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              #7
              When we move to the 48 team atrocity, 16 European teams are likely to be seeded into 16 groups so the maths at least becomes easier. The number of teams going through to the last 32 in 2026, say, ought to be at least 13. A kind draw might put all 16 through. Luck of the draw then comes into play.

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                #8
                1998
                Europe 20
                RotW 8
                Draw 11


                10 European teams in last 16

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                  #9
                  In 2018, if I am reading correctly, Russia, Spain, Portugal, France, Denmark, Croatia, Iceland, Swiss/Serbia, Germany/Sweden, Belgium, England = 11, the shortfall being due to Mexico, Brazil and Japan/Senegal knocking out a European side. Could be 12 if Brazil keep playing this badly, 13 or 14 if Mexico, Japan and Senegal suddenly collapse.

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                    #10
                    I'm increasingly annoyed by stodgy 'game management' tall/fit Euro-bores.

                    The only joyful exception so far was Mexico, and they weren't even playing a 'game management' team, hence all their counter-attacking oppritunities. Senegal-Poland the opnly other, and that was as self-inflicted as Argentina's defeat, in many ways.

                    Denmark the worst offenders so far- not cos they have no skill, but cos they 'realistically' refused to use it. Sweden at least had the excuse of not much flair to start with.

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                      #11
                      Most annoying are teams who show flair until they score but then just manage the game. Not only Europeans but also Uruguay, in the piss easiest group imaginable given the seedings.

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                        #12
                        Yes, Uruguay as the exceptions to the general rule in this WC, are the ultra-realists: it was amazing watching them game manage against Saudi

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                          #13
                          My statistics aren't good enough but what are the odds (assuming that every team is equally good and therefore has an equal chance of coming 1st - 4th) that all 13 UEFA teams would qualify to the second round? Or rather, what would be the expected number of UEFA teams in the second round give the previous and the fact that there are 5 groups with two UEFA teams and 3 with one?

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                            #14
                            I think Mexico's result against Sweden tonight will be decisive in whether 10 or 11 European teams advance.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Satchmo Distel View Post
                              I think Mexico's result against Sweden tonight will be decisive in whether 10 or 11 European teams advance.
                              Can't see Sweden winning by two goals, one seems plausible, though.

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                                #16
                                One will do it for sweden

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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by N est ? View Post
                                  One will do it for sweden
                                  Aye, they'd have the same points and goals both for/ against as Mexico and would progress on strength of today's result

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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by N est ? View Post
                                    One will do it for sweden
                                    Aye, they'd have the same points and goals both for/ against as Mexico and would progress on strength of today's result

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                                      #19
                                      Ten Europeans through

                                      Out: Iceland, Serbia, Germany, Poland

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                                        #20
                                        So we now know our 16 into the knock-out stages.

                                        CONMEBOL: 4/5 (80%)
                                        UEFA: 10/14 (71%)
                                        CONCACAF: 1/3 (33%)
                                        AFC: 1/5 (20%)
                                        CAF: 0/5 (0%)

                                        Based on that, it's Europe and South America that should be getting the vast majority of the extra teams with the expansion from 32 to 48. They won't, of course. The quality of the future group stages will be even more diluted because of it.

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                                          #21
                                          32 is the maximum feasible number for a World Cup. I cannot think of any absent nation here that would have enhanced the tournament.

                                          You could also make a case for going down to 24 because around 8-10 here were dead wood. 32 is only really preferable because of the neater system of top two going through.

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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Satchmo Distel View Post
                                            I cannot think of any absent nation here that would have enhanced the tournament.
                                            Love you too, buddy!

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                                              #23
                                              Not qualifying did Holland and other European absentees a favour. Spared them some embarrassment in front of a global audience. I'm not saying that to wind you up.

                                              I get the point that Africa did not justify having five places here but I also don't think replacing two of them with European plodders gives the tournament a better flavour. It just means that you get the same stuff you currently have in the play-offs or in a European championship scrap for one of the best third place positions. More Polands and Serbias.

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                                                #24
                                                Well, Holland wouldn't even have made it into an expanded World Cup, seeing as they didn't even make the playoffs.

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                                                  #25
                                                  Hey, after the last uninspired shit qualifying campaign, we'd (USA) better get automatic qualification for 2026!

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