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    #51
    Denmark v Portugal

    szczeweeeeeeeee wrote:
    Originally posted by Teodor
    Originally posted by Brunislaw
    Did it involve being a twat?
    He was the only Portuguese player, apart from the 'keeper, who didn't join in with the winning goal celebration. He was actually laid in the penalty area, uninjured.
    I'd put a lot of that down to relief. He carries a huge weight on his shoulders, probably too much and I actually admire the amount of work he does for the national team off the pitch. But as I said, he looks shagged physically and mentally and I think he takes too much on in his role as captain and the FPF take advantage of his willingness to please.
    Almost exactly what I said at the final whistle.

    I've also seen definite footage almost immediately after the winner of Ronaldo prominent in the huddle celebrating with Varela with immense happiness and relief.

    The Ronaldo hate on here is pretty fucking pathetic really.

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      #52
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      Bored of Education wrote: Another time to come on and say that it is appalling that a player paid that much hasn't got a left foot
      Why would how much you're paid have any impact on his left-footedness or otherwise?

      He earns what he does because he's an immensely talented footballer who contributes an awful lot to title wins and CL winning campaigns. The marketability helps obviously but he can back it up.

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        #53
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        I've had a few, like.

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          #54
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          Well, maybe not how much you are paid but more that you are paid to practice and he, along with many many footballers, don't practice on using their weaker foot. He is certainly not the worst culprit. It just happens that, in that instant, if he had let it run across his body, he could have shot it easily with his left and not given the goalkeeper the chance to close him down.

          I expect he practices those step-overs of diminishing returns over and over

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            #55
            Denmark v Portugal

            Bored of Education wrote: Well, maybe not how much you are paid but more that you are paid to practice and he, along with many many footballers, don't practice on using their weaker foot. He is certainly not the worst culprit. It just happens that, in that instant, if he had let it run across his body, he could have shot it easily with his left and not given the goalkeeper the chance to close him down.

            I expect he practices those step-overs of diminishing returns over and over
            You can't know that for sure, bored. One thing Ronaldo can't be accused of is not practising. Apart from shagging and going shopping, juggling a football in his back-garden is about the only vice he's got (he's fiercely anti-drugs and drink but pleasingly not part of football's god squad).

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              #56
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              To be honest, I am not sure that coaches even require it of players. They just accept that players are one-footed. As I have said before, you are never going to get a player equally good with both feet, well rarely anyway, but you will have them confident enough to use it in the situations where it would cost them a split second to change onto their stronger foot. Look at what Van Persie was able to do today

              (he's fiercely anti-drugs and drink but pleasingly not part of football's god squad)
              Is this building up to a left footers pun?

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                #57
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                I've also seen definite footage almost immediately after the winner of Ronaldo prominent in the huddle celebrating with Varela with immense happiness and relief.
                To be fair, Harry, he was lying down for a long time in the area directly after the goal has been scored when they all, including the substitutes, were celebrating with Varela.

                I thought he had been injured or, indeed, it may have been relief but he definitely wasn't celebrating with the others immediately after. I think I may have seen him congratulating Varela on the way back to the kick off

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                  #58
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                  hmm, I don't know, ronaldo always seemed pretty two footed to me. Sure he favours his right, but if using his left foot is appropriate then he will generally do that.

                  Last season ronaldo scored 60 goals for real madrid. In open play he scored 26 with his right, 9 with his left and seven with his head. He scored 14 penalties and 4 free kicks* He took all the set pieces right footed, but lets not lose sight of the fact that 9 goals with your weaker foot is an awful lot of goals.

                  *Given the enormous extended ritual involved, and the sheer number he takes, doesn't 4 seem like a very small number to you?

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                    #59
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                    I once scored two out of three in a game with my left, and I didn't even know I had a left foot for another two years after the game.

                    So take that, Ronaldo.

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                      #60
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                      He took his goal well enough and it will be seen as some sort of redemption I suppose, all the same Helder Postiga was broadly shocking.

                      There is nothing redeeming about his game at all, how bad must you be when he makes you pine for Nuno Gomes. Now I hate how Ronaldo gesticulates with frustration at teammates who aren't as good as he is at everything, today I felt his Postiga pain and sympathised with it.

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                        #61
                        Denmark v Portugal

                        The Awesome Berbaslug!!! wrote: hmm,

                        He scored 14 penalties and 4 free kicks*

                        *Given the enormous extended ritual involved, and the sheer number he takes, doesn't 4 seem like a very small number to you?
                        I might be wrong but I get the impression that "free kick specialists" are getting less potent in top level football in general.

                        Where would one find out how many goals were scored direct from free kicks over the years and who scored the most, I wonder?

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                          #62
                          Denmark v Portugal

                          szczeweeeeeeeee wrote: http://www.abola.pt/nnh/ver.aspx?id=336459

                          "Sabem onde estava Messi a esta altura no ano passado? Sabem? Estava a ser eliminado da Copa América no seu país. Creio que é pior, não? Eu estou feliz de estar aqui (no Europeu)"

                          Do you know where Messi was at this time last year? Do you know? He was being eliminated in the Copa America in his country. I believe that's worse, no? I'm happy to be here.

                          "Altura" is used to refer to a general period of time, "tempo" would be used for a more specific period of time and "momento" even more specific. Ronaldo's also using the continuous aspect to refer to an event that was in progress and incomplete.

                          Like I said, you (OTF in general) can all call him a twat all you like, I admire him far more off the pitch than on. I can't find a single word of criticism for his behaviour and attitude as Portugal's captain - except that he does too much and tries to please too many people in Portugal. He's a fantastic professional and fine example to Portuguese kids and I bet he's beating himself up something rotten inside right now.

                          edit: I should also add, Ronaldo says "Sabem onde estava Messi", which is really non-specific time in the past, if he wanted to say exactly at this time in the past he'd need to say "Sabem onde estive Messi" - which would be placing Messi in an exact time and place.
                          Thanks for that, steveeeeeeeee. The Argentine/Spanish language tweets and articles I saw on it all took 'esta altura' to mean 'at this stage of the tournament', though that was, it becomes clear after your explanation, more the spin they put on it than anything else - obviously, the Spanish and Portuguese there are very similar!

                          For what it's worth I entirely agree with you on his professional ethic and work rate (whilst still being of the opinion that he's a bell-end of epic proportions - an opinion I held when he was being incredible for my own club as well).

                          The one-footed vs two-footed thing is a funny one. I had quite a heated argument on Twitter last week with one of my followers who claimed Lionel Messi was one-footed. Seriously. Some people are very odd.

                          The Awesome Berbaslug!!! wrote: Last season ronaldo scored 60 goals for real madrid. In open play he scored 26 with his right, 9 with his left and seven with his head. He scored 14 penalties and 4 free kicks* He took all the set pieces right footed, but lets not lose sight of the fact that 9 goals with your weaker foot is an awful lot of goals.

                          *Given the enormous extended ritual involved, and the sheer number he takes, doesn't 4 seem like a very small number to you?
                          As I mentioned on a different thread a couple of weeks ago, apparently Messi has a better free kick conversion ratio than CR7. And yet Ronaldo's thought of as a set piece specialist, whilst Barcelona supposedly don't have one. Maybe you just have to play for Real Madrid to get such a reputation, regardless of how good you actually are at free kicks (Cf. Carlos, Roberto).

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                            #63
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                            I forgot to mention that, in the Dutch game, Ronaldo did a couple of excellent passes and, I think, one cross left-footed so I happily rescind the one-footed charge. Well, either that or he is a secret OTF reader and practiced in the intervening days.

                            Alright, Ron?

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                              #64
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                              I've started to really warm to Ronaldo in this tournament. It's not just that he's a brilliant player carrying an average team. He really wants this. It may be for selfish reason in that he thinks a Portugal win will secure a lasting legacy or win him this year's Ballon d'Or, but regardless of his motives it's refreshing to see a footballer giving his all at an international tournament.

                              We're frequently told that international football is being eclipsed by the Champions League, but looking at the players and in particular Ronaldo, you'd never know it.

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